Elegy nerf or HNM Buff?

[Ahlah]

Except you can only use it every 10 minutes?

Unless you only bring one BLM to Ouryu fight, I don't think 10min recast on ES will stop your alliance from keeping Ouryu slept on the ground.

Even if SE nerf ES sleep, it still won't break Ouryu fight, just mean you will need enough BLM or /BLM to spam ES sleep.

[Gabz]

Elemental seal isn't broken.. elegy is. I'm very surprised it never got nerfed and that people usually don't mention it when they talk about broken spells/abilities. Makes blink tanking almost anything you can land it on such a joke..

[Sylvaria]

Except you can only use it every 10 minutes?

which means nothing, since you have several on that job anyway

[Thorny]

Just a comment regarding the BLMs apparently nailing a stun and GoH still going off:
TP moves will finish if the mob is not stunned when they end regardless of if they're stunned during cast(same for manafont spells!). This is blatantly obvious if you instant stun something with an obscenely long warmup(IE: Meltdown), the stun can wear before tp move ends and the move will still go off. If they did a ninja buff to resistance, you could have had a basically instant wear on stun and it wore before GoH finished readying.

[Kipling]

which means nothing, since you have several on that job anyway

Something isn't broken if you're able to bring more than one person of the same job. But it doesn't make sense to scream broken counting the JA has a 10 minute cool down for each person.

[evilpaul]

Meltdown always seemed to me to go off if you waited for the log message to show up to Stun it. As soon as the feet go up, Stun, and you'll stop it everytime.

[Thorny]

Meltdown always seemed to me to go off if you waited for the log message to show up to Stun it. As soon as the feet go up, Stun, and you'll stop it everytime.

Use something without native dark skill like NIN/DRK and go try it. When you're getting 5 second stuns on BLM or DRK main it doesn't really matter, but with a short stun it will wear before tp move finishes and this does allow the move to go off.

[Kerberoz]

Why do they nerf this, but they don't nerf ES sleep on Tiamat? Or add rage to Tiamat? Come on... no one cares about 1mil cerberus hides.

[Airenn]

Just a comment regarding the BLMs apparently nailing a stun and GoH still going off:
TP moves will finish if the mob is not stunned when they end regardless of if they're stunned during cast(same for manafont spells!). This is blatantly obvious if you instant stun something with an obscenely long warmup(IE: Meltdown), the stun can wear before tp move ends and the move will still go off. If they did a ninja buff to resistance, you could have had a basically instant wear on stun and it wore before GoH finished readying.

I'm not an expert, but I am pretty sure that if you stun a tp move asap, even if stun wears, it is stunned for good.

Not that I've on-evented anything(*rolls eyes* oops?) yea, but once it was stunned, the tp move has never finished for me anyway.

RDM and BLM stuns.

[Ahlah]

Why do they nerf this, but they don't nerf ES sleep on Tiamat? Or add rage to Tiamat? Come on... no one cares about 1mil cerberus hides.

Well we don't know for sure ES sleep II isn't nerfed until Tiamat spawns. Also good LS don't really need to ES sleep II Tiamat.

[Mafai]

Cerberus did resist stun before this happened, but it was very very rare.

On a few rare occassions i was THF/DRK or BRD/DRK stunning stoneskin/GoH to help the fights go quicker.

I did not have a Stun setup for these jobs, it was always pure haste gear for lowest recast possible. Without a Jupiter's staff i was resisted, but with it, it was about 95% success.

I will say this, yesterday ES Sleep2s on faf after maintenance did NOT last full term (was waiting for people to login).

[Thorny]

I'm not an expert, but I am pretty sure that if you stun a tp move asap, even if stun wears, it is stunned for good.

Not that I've on-evented anything(*rolls eyes* oops?) yea, but once it was stunned, the tp move has never finished for me anyway.

RDM and BLM stuns.

/shrug, not going to argue about it with everyone who posts something about it. Monster tp moves and manafonted spells are only interrupted if the monster is stunned at the end, regardless of if it was stunned during the move. You can easily observe this on meltdown or bres's dragon kicks using a job without native dark skill. While it's not usually a problem, I was just throwing it out there.

[Mafai]

/shrug, not going to argue about it with everyone who posts something about it. Monster tp moves and manafonted spells are only interrupted if the monster is stunned at the end, regardless of if it was stunned during the move. You can easily observe this on meltdown or bres's dragon kicks using a job without native dark skill. While it's not usually a problem, I was just throwing it out there.

meltdown is weird. it shows in the log before it goes up in the air, and yes, if you stun too quick it goes up still and blows up. i usually wait until i see it balled before i cast stun, cause ive died many times to stunning too quick.

[Darrien]

Just done an ouryu! All E-seals sleep'2s were lasting half duration. Good Luck rofl!

[miokomioko]

Monster tp moves are only interrupted if the monster is stunned at the end, regardless of if it was stunned during the move.

Don't argue about this because it's completely false.

[Kerberoz]

This is kinda awesome news, hope it's intentional and not a glitch. Need some tiamats to pop so we can see if it happens there too, now... I'm getting the popcorn ready for watching some chasm wipes...

[drwaffles]

Spells will be stopped regardless of Stun's duration (since it'll usually wear before the spell was scheduled to go off anyway), but Stunning TP moves relies on the mob in question being in Stun status when the move is scheduled to go off. I've Stunned Meltdown too quickly loads of times - the ability isn't fundamentally different from other TP moves, it's the fact that the windup period is so long compared to most others, as Thorny said.

[miokomioko]

I have stunned many many many many a self-destruct/meltdown with Shoulder Tackle and Violent Flourish (both who's stun effects last a whopping 0.5~2 seconds). There is no way in hell they were always 100% under the effect of stun by the time the TP-move completed.

The only things that do act like this that I have first-hand experience with is Bard songs. If you get silena'd, woken, etc before the song is done, it will still go off.

[Darrien]

This is kinda awesome news, hope it's intentional and not a glitch. Need some tiamats to pop so we can see if it happens there too, now... I'm getting the popcorn ready for watching some chasm wipes...

Tiamat? I'm waiting for the tourbillion and thunderstrike spams when elegy wears lol.

[Skjie]

So, Elegy = regular time. ES Elegy = reduced time?