Xenogears Perfect Works

[Klain]

I wanted to play Xenosaga, not: "Stock energy for 9 turns, cast an elemental on all my guys, find the mobs G-Spot so I can uppercut them into the air and combo....oh fuck! they boosted ahead of me, I gotta do it all over again."

So true. I just went on GameFAQs and got save spots for all the cutscenes, fuck playing that game.

[Chezo]

Does anyone know of a good place to DL the Xenogears soundtrack?

[Kaylia]

Xenosaga Media - Blue Laguna's Media Archive

always work, but its kinda a pain to download every track one by one.

[Indalecia]

I kinda enjoyed saga episode 3. Was interesting to say the least.

But yeah, gears is prolly, imo, one of the best executed rpg's i've ever played, at least story wise. It just sucked you in in a way that I honestly can't compare to any other games save...I dunno, ffVI, star ocean 2 and valkyrie profile. But it did it better.

[shukudai]

I really enjoyed Saga. I'm with you on the battle systems a bit (but I <3 Erde Kaiser), but like another poster mentioned, the pacing, and how Episode 2 literally felt like it should have been episode 1, which affected how Episode 3 was done. Episode 3 really picked up the pace, but it felt rushed to finish everything up. My biggest wish for Saga would have simply been to allow those making it do things exactly how they wanted, instead of how affected they were by business shit.

[Kaylia]

It's not just a feeling. Episode 1 was suposed to end with Old miltia destruction by Proto-Omega. The original trailer had Jin/Margulis fight, Proto-Omega activation and Abel waking up in it.

The same trailer also revealed that Kos-mos was Mary (indirectly, but still), and mentioned Rennes-le-Chateau (ep3 dungeon).


6min55+
YouTube - Xenosaga Episode I 8 minute Trailer
Hell, they even had a picture of Kadmony on the wall (the big eye on the zohar where elhaym was locked). It was later replaced by a picture of the zohar in ep2.

[TacoTaru]

I remember finding out about Perfect Works back when I first finished the game and the only thing to get was the translated book was a billion dollars. Xenogears is easily the best game to come out on the PS for me. The only game I've ever considered to rival on any consoles was Chrono Trigger.

I'm really torn on Xenosaga; I liked the first one, but the second one hurt my brain. I've heard mixed reviews on the third so I've kept to the sidelines for the most part.

[Xno Kappa]

Xenosaga was actually pretty awesome, but what really pissed me off was how they kept trying to change the battle system and the story pacing. You get so much from episode 1 with the data logs, mini games, (card game fucking owned) and character development. But episode 2 was so short and didn't give up that much in terms of story. The combat was so fucking bad that I just used cheat codes on my first run through because I wanted to play Xenosaga, not: "Stock energy for 9 turns, cast an elemental on all my guys, find the mobs G-Spot so I can uppercut them into the air and combo....oh fuck! they boosted ahead of me, I gotta do it all over again."

Fucking this!!! I loved Xenosaga, nowhere near as much as XG obviously, but whoever came up with the EP2 battle-system needs to be shot. The effort/reward ratio on actually getting your combos out was ridiculously lopsided to where even simple battles were a fucking chore.

If they ever remake Xenogears I'd hope they'd do it with the same exact graphics, maybe in HD whatever, but with;
- A re-translated script.
- Added locales, Kadmony, Mass Driver Facility, Soylent System.
- Added characters, Ramsus, the Elements, Maria.
- Fleshed out Disc 2.
This would be my perfect Xenogears remake. Everything the original creators had in mind in its entirety.

[Moridam]

I gave up on XS2 during my first playthrough because of that horrible battle system. When 5-10 minute long random encounters are commonplace, something is seriously, seriously wrong with your game.

Ep. 3 really, really redeemed things on the gameplay end, and I guess struck sort of a balance between 1 and 2 for volume of story.

Getting rid of Mitsuda for composition duties though, was a terrible mistake.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Totally forgot to mention the bullshit GS campaign where you help to pay the captain's debt. Anything that causes you to have to start over a 60+ hour RPG just to engage in foreplay with a homicidal Nun for hours on end so you can steal 20+ rare items for an ability that shaves 5 minutes off a 10 minute battle seriously needs to burn in fucking hell. Episode 2 has potential to be the worst game, worst let down, a worst battle system of all time. If you can find anything with an even horrible battle system, I'll gladly play it just so I can stop talking shit about Xenosaga II.

[Kaylia]

The lost of Mitsuda would have been a great deal for me if Kajiura wasn't my favorite anime composer. It's not the Xeno fanboy in me speaking here, because I loved .Hack and Noir OST.
YouTube - Xenosaga Episode III - We've Got To Believe In Something (one of my favorite)
YouTube - Xenosaga 3: Also Sprach Zarathustra - Godsibb
YouTube - Please Call my Name - Xenosaga 3: A Missing Year OST



About Xenosaga 2 gameplay, I had the same issue as everyone the first time I went through the game. Stocking every fight was a torture and made certain fight last way too long. However, using the proper debuff/buff (en-element thing)/characters , you can end most fight quickly without the absurd boosting. It's still repetive to some extent, but instead of taking 3 full round to boost and 2-3 more to kill, you can usually win on the 2nd or 3rd round.

The other alternative was to overlevel Shion when she is alone on the Dammarung (take approximatively 30min), and you can breeze through the game spamming attack.

[Indalecia]

If you can find anything with an even horrible battle system, I'll gladly play it just so I can stop talking shit about Xenosaga II.

Thousand Arms i think its called?

[Charismatic]

Thousand Arms i think its called?

After seeing this post, I downloaded Thousand Arms, been playing it for hours... battle system is actually kind of nice!
Everything else sucks though (especially the fucking camera)

[Zilong]

Fucking this!!! I loved Xenosaga, nowhere near as much as XG obviously, but whoever came up with the EP2 battle-system needs to be shot. The effort/reward ratio on actually getting your combos out was ridiculously lopsided to where even simple battles were a fucking chore.

If they ever remake Xenogears I'd hope they'd do it with the same exact graphics, maybe in HD whatever, but with;
- A re-translated script.
- Added locales, Kadmony, Mass Driver Facility, Soylent System.
- Added characters, Ramsus, the Elements, Maria.
- Fleshed out Disc 2.
This would be my perfect Xenogears remake. Everything the original creators had in mind in its entirety.

Except for the fact that most if not all the creators left Square, created monolith, and gave us that abortion, it would really be a perfect remake :/

[Kaelan?]

A lot of them actually dropped in the middle of the saga games (I can't blame them tbh <_<). So yeah, not much of a chance they'll actually get together and do it properly again, especially not in square :/

[Taera]

Man this has got me wanting to finish Xenogears since I never got to. Where can I pick up the rom and a good emulator for it?

[Kaylia]

Man this has got me wanting to finish Xenogears since I never got to. Where can I pick up the rom and a good emulator for it?

Welcome to the official ePSXe website

Might be easier to just grab the emulator off a torrent site if you don't want to hunt for the plugging.
Xenogears isnt hard to find on most torrent site either.

[Fhloston]

I don't mind long cutscenes and dialogue if I could give a damn about what they were talking about/who were talking.

Saga doesn't have interesting characters, and kinda relies on me actually going through the fucking glossary of terms in the game to actually know what they were talking about.

I don't mind that so much, but shouldn't good storytelling incorporate those complicated concept/events into the storyline rather than having people talk about it briefly and expect the players to actually give a damn and go through the list of definitions/explanation on the glossary part of the status screen. It's like they were trying to be pretentious and assume the players give enough damn about their game to actually do the extraneous readings to understand and enjoy the fucking game, without actually giving them a good reason to.

I mean, I get where you're standing Kaylia, you're probably understand enough of the concept that the XG parallel is defined and clear to you. But to me, by the time I finished the first game, I felt so fucking ripped off. I thought the story was horrible, the character wasn't interesting, the combat/levelling system was tedious and felt more like a chore than a game and I really couldn't be bothered to explore the depth of the symbolism/concept/etc at that point because I JUST WASTED 50 FUCKING DOLLARS ON A PIECE OF SHIT THAT USED THE NAME OF MY FAVORITE RPG OF ALL TIME.

Really, had they gone with some other fucking name, I wouldn't have bought it on release date for full price, and if I did buy it later, I'd enjoy it more because obviously I won't have the goddamn Xenogears to expect from this RPG.

And really, if we were suppose to rate something by what they could have been than what they actually are, we wouldn't have any fucking argument of anything sucking, ever. Living in that kind of world would rip me off my raison d'etre to say the least.

PS: The one who bares fang against god is nice, though my favorite tracks on XG is Omen and June mermaid. Also June Mermaid really reminds me of just how fucking bad the translators are from that era of gaming was. The japanese name is "Kannazuki no Ningyou" which translates to October's Doll.

^fucking this

I remember my disappointment from Saga 1..was so hyped since it had the Xeno name attached and was from the original devs. Tried my hardest to get in to the game, but the dull story/characters/battle system made it impossible.

I'm not the only one who would love a Xenogears remake, or a true sequel that lives up to or surpasses the original. But, it's like the Chrono Trigger remake, Chrono Break, FFVII remake. It just isn't going to happen. :/

[Xno Kappa]

To be honest, I would hate to see a Xenogears sequel. It would obviously be nowhere near as epic as the original and Xenogears itself did a fine job tying up loose ends sans the whole civilization that created Deus.

[Kaylia]

Eh...It's the only thing I want to know. Perfect works say absolutely nothing about episode 6, except that the story is far from being over, and Xenosaga teased us with Lost Jerusalem, but never answered the mystery around it.

It pisses me off to know we will never see the ending.