Gekko WS Accuracy Test

[Kirschy]

I had this idea for a test in my head for some time, but I didn't get a chance to do it until today~

I wanted to test low melee accuracy vs WS accuracy.

Setup:
SAM/DRG.
Soboro /w Basic Evasion set. (No DA included.)
Hasso was not used.
Blind Pots were on ~99% of the time.
Only used crabs and each checked High Evasion.
No gear swaps, meditate not used.
Kuftal Tunnel @ Teriggan side.
Used Direct Parse for data.

Melee:
752 Hits
691 Misses
1443 Total Hits
52.11% Melee Accuracy

WS:
117 Hits
5 Misses
122 Total WSs
95.9% WS Accuracy


Things worth taking into account:
Crabs are not all the same level.
I used about ~28 different crabs in my tests.
Blind pots haven't been tested 100%. In the few tests I ran, they showed at LEAST -178 accuracy, probably more. (Wiki has them at -256.)
Blind Pots wore ever 3 min, so a few normal hits got in while blind was down. No WS went off w/o Blind up.


This test didn't turn out how I expected at all. Having 95% WS accuracy and 52% melee accuracy is crazy. I plan to try again /w other 1-hit WS (like Slice, or Tachi: Hoboku.)

[Epical]

Wow. Time to rethink my WS set...

[Buttons]

Thanks for the tests. Confirms my WS set is right way to go yay. :D

[Shinryuu]

Yeah, from the Gekko topic I've deducted that DA and STR are pretty much the only relevant Gekko stats, thanks for reconfirming this on the hitrate side of things. Smilodon mantle +1 ahoy. Crazy...

[Cream Soda]

Yeah, from the Gekko topic I've deducted that DA and STR are pretty much the only relevant Gekko stats

Only thing is the DA won't get the acc bonus, so if you go with some absurdly low amount of acc, wouldn't the DA be much more likely to miss?

[Shinryuu]

The DA doesn't get the ACC bonus? You sure? Hmm well yes the DA would be more likely to miss then, of course. Does the DA get the pDIF bonus?

[Cream Soda]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't get the pDIF bonus. If it did, wouldn't the ws do a lot more dmg than it actually adds now going from 1hit to 2hit? not like you're doing a 5hit ws and doing a bit more dmg cause ONE of the hits DA'd and since multi hits don't have the 1hit acc bonus, wouldn't DA'ing technically make it a 2hit ws?

[Shinryuu]

I think the DA'd hits (for every WS) are modified (pDIF, ACC, WSC, crit chance) hits with an fTP of 1.0. A Gekko (1.875 fTP with Hagun if I'm recalling correctly) would do about 50% more damage if DA procs, a number that will sound fairly reasonable to most SAMs out there.

[Cream Soda]

Could just reproduce the test with DA gear like askar pole grip and brutal (as well as /war) then just monitor TP return of the WS and check the DA rate, no?

[FailureMidgard]

uhhh, why do people think DA doesn't get the accuracy bonus? Like, looking at my normal WS set...

+16 dex, +5 skill, +10 accuracy is all I have.

That'd put me at what, 200 + 10 + 97*.9 + 86*.5 = 340 skill. If it is indeed true that 2 accuracy = 1 hit, we're looking at ~50-60% hit rate on the DA attack. I haven't gone out there and parsed this, but I guarantee you I see TP returns well over what that would say (talking under 10% actual DA rate with /war, there's no way that's accurate).

[Cream Soda]

Eyeballing ftw?

[Patriclis]

hmm. 95.9% WS accuracy, with blind pots.
Another reason not to get hachiman Hakama ._. (as if it was needed XD)
((Unless you /rng lol))

[FailureMidgard]

Eyeballing ftw?

And your proof that the accuracy doesn't carry over is from what exactly?

The start of my post opened with "uhhh, why do people think DA doesn't get the accuracy bonus?" Do you have a response to that? If someone actually has a parse, then by all means I'll go by it, but until then, ya, my eyeballing on Sam is probably more accurate than a baseless assumption.

Eyeballing the difference between 2.5 and 3 may be kinda hard. Until I see proof though, the difference between 17 and ~9.4 isn't exactly the same.

And with /(not war), I'm pretty sure I see more DAs than I do missed WSes (whereas if the accuracy bonus doesn't carry over, you'd see more missed WSes than DAs).

Anyway, eyeballing is bad and all, but unless someone has proof otherwise, it's no worse than your baseless assumption that you're stating as fact.

[Cream Soda]

When did I state anything as fact? The question mark at the end of it indicated I was asking more than telling. If I was stating as a fact, then I would have said ", therefore, the 2nd hit would be much more likely to miss", but instead, I ASKED if the 2nd hit would be more likely to miss. The wording may have been a little sketchy, but the fact that I even asked that question at the end shows I was stating nothing as fact.

As for proof, you know I have none. If you've read this thread, you would have also seen that I was suggesting to test with blind pots and DA gear with war sub.

I never said it was a fact that DA won't get the acc bonus. I simply said "Eyeballing ftw?" and yes, your eyeballing is just as good as anything I've presented here, which is nothing at all.

[Shinryuu]

Only thing is the DA won't get the acc bonus, so if you go with some absurdly low amount of acc, wouldn't the DA be much more likely to miss?

Reads as if you're stating "the DA won't get the acc bonus" as a fact and then ask a rhetorical question. Could very well be you don't mean it like that, just saying that could be how FM interpreted it.

Anyway, this needs testing.

[Killkenny]

Does anyone have any idea as to the potency of Blind from faf/nid wings, with that blind on my WS acc drops significantly below 50% with Gekko.

[Vade]

I missed 3 Gekkos in a row today...maybe it was just bad luck

[FailureMidgard]

Reads as if you're stating "the DA won't get the acc bonus" as a fact and then ask a rhetorical question. Could very well be you don't mean it like that, just saying that could be how FM interpreted it.

Anyway, this needs testing.

That's exactly how I read it.

And while I'm fine doing math on things and such, going out and testing/gathering data isn't very fun in my mind, and I have so much else to do in game. So yea, someone get to it and test.

[Valyana]

Does anyone have any idea as to the potency of Blind from faf/nid wings, with that blind on my WS acc drops significantly below 50% with Gekko.

I parsed Nyzul Faf wing as -100 accuracy. Dunno about real Faf.

[richardd]

god im so ahead of my time! this has been known for a while now, thanks to ppl like Haka spreading it around. Not only did gekko have an insane acc bonus like most 1 hit WS do, but it also has a large hidden att bonus. main reason why i used smil+1 mantle in merits and forager/cerb+1 (when i had it) @ ein/dyna-icelands etc. every little bit of STR counts.