Gimp/Confused/WTF Player Thread X: Elegy wasn't nerfed, you just need Behemoth Rings.

[Hosom]

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[Phoking]

I could be wrong but i think pudzian is the same galka pld that DDed fulltiming full heca in dynamis in my last LS.

[Shin Volcano]

Denali bonnet will never make you attack as fast as turban. And its uggly as hell as well . People really need to stop farming negative stats gears in nyzul isle.

Denali is a perfectly accetable peice, you seem to forget it also has 3 accuracy, cut out the elitsm bullshit, nothing wrong with using it, unless you feel that you simply cannot survive without that 2% haste, i guess ill tell every mnk/nin who uses usu head to toss it and go back to turban.

[Hyriu]

It doesn't have 3 acc, it's 3atk/evasion.

^_^

[Shin Volcano]

Well which ever, it's still not bad to use.

[Massimo]

It's not bad. It's horrible.

3 att vs 1% haste?

Really?

[Shin Volcano]

It's not bad. It's horrible.

3 att vs 1% haste?

Really?

if you're seriously that bad of a player you can't manage without turban, i guess so then, of course overall turban would be slightly better to elitist and "LOLWEARWHATIAPPROVEOFONLYORUNOOB" type people, but it's pretty damn retarded to knock/talk about soemone using it.

[Raen Ryong]

Inferior piece which is time-consuming to get and by getting it for inferior purposes you are cockblocking people who want it for legitimate purposes.

Sounds good to me!

EDIT: I think it's just in a way to look down on people who use Denali Bonnet for serious purposes because in most cases they consciously put aside time and take it over other people just to be inferior to their previous setup.

It's simply not cost or time effective to go after an inferior piece, similar to the Jet Seraweels vs Mahatma Slops argument.

[Shin Volcano]

Inferior piece which is time-consuming to get and by getting it for inferior purposes you are cockblocking people who want it for legitimate purposes.

Sounds good to me!

EDIT: I think it's just in a way to look down on people who use Denali Bonnet for serious purposes because in most cases they consciously put aside time and take it over other people just to be inferior to their previous setup.

It's simply not cost or time effective to go after an inferior piece, similar to the Jet Seraweels vs Mahatma Slops argument.

I guess it depends, i mean how slow are we talking here, 0.5? 1 second less speed? i guess the only thing it will matter is if you are nin tanking and you need yours timers ready asap, other then that, who can kill colibirs a second faster never matterd to me, or am i missing some huge diffrence that is game breaking? fiill me in.

and yea...not even going to get into that +1 INT Argument. builds blah blah etc.

[Massimo]

if you're seriously that bad of a player you can't manage without turban, i guess so then, of course overall turban would be slightly better to elitist and "LOLWEARWHATIAPPROVEOFONLYORUNOOB" type people, but it's pretty damn retarded to knock/talk about soemone using it.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with not being able to manage it. You're gimping yourself for no reason. What exactly are you trying to 'manage'? If you're doing less damage than before you swapped that awful piece of gear in, I would say, no, you're not managing.

[Shin Volcano]

It's got absolutely nothing to do with not being able to manage it. You're gimping yourself for no reason. What exactly are you trying to 'manage'? If you're doing less damage than before you swapped that awful piece of gear in, I would say, no, you're not managing.

So please, tell me exactly how much "less" Noticabledamage you are doing? show me a full test/diffrence to support this. and how is it "gimping" as i said, every mnk/sam/nin using usu head is gimping them self to i guess?
same with every thf with skadi head. just all turban all the time?

[Ruuz]

Wow that Pudzian is something else. Why doesn't he just pick up a great sword so he can play PLD the way SE intended?

[Raen Ryong]

Usu Head often outperforms Turban.

If that was 3acc rather than 3atk, you would have a legitimate case in some situations.

And yes, Skadi Mask is gimp.

The thing is, it's consciously making yourself worse.

It's not a RDM with a Spider Torque saving up for Enfeebling Torque, because although it is not the optimal option you wouldn't (I wouldn't at least) consider them gimp for using the best option for a lot of enfeebles until they get the Enfeebling Torque.

To use that former analogy but change it a little, pretend that Enfeebling Torque was insanely easy to get and free, and Spider Torque was a 1/10~ drop rate from Nyzul, or required hours and hours of work to get in Salvage.

Would you not consider someone using the Spider Torque then, very confused?

[Ruuz]

Orochi, what job are you arguing against turban for?

You are right that Haste +1 at say 20 > 21 isnt that huge, but once you add in double march and haste spell you are looking at a much different 1% haste. In the later you will definitely see more attack (s) per mob, and should (if you are aggressive enough) see it on a parser. Haste +1% isnt always better of course, for Usukane feet, 7Acc 7Att 7Stp is much better IMO than 1% haste (except on recasts) and 1% less Haste on non-dusk equivalents is acceptable since you loose that 1% haste if you miss the opportunity to hit a mob one hit earlier (credit to vzx).

Still, I see no reason for wearing the bonnet.

[Knyghtmayre]

So please, tell me exactly how much "less" Noticabledamage you are doing? show me a full test/diffrence to support this. and how is it "gimping" as i said, every mnk/sam/nin using usu head is gimping them self to i guess?
same with every thf with skadi head. just all turban all the time?

The argument isn't that haste rules all, although it could be. It's that 3 attack doesn't supplement the lost value of 1% haste when you're not capped on haste from equipment. Your argument about people using Usukane Somen over Turban falls to shit because it's supplementing accuracy+7 for Haste+2%, which is a pretty reasonable trade-off if you're not capped on accuracy, though I still wouldn't use it on SAM just because SAM can get far better use out of Askar zucchetto and even moreso, Ace's.

That being said, I choose to use Enkidu's leggings over Fuma Sune-ate because DEX+3 Att+4 is worth the Haste+1% I'd get from Fuma's and I'll probably never see Usukane Sune-ate ever.

Edit: Fuck how did I get beaten by everyone and their mother?

[Massimo]

So please, tell me exactly how much "less" Noticabledamage you are doing? show me a full test/diffrence to support this. and how is it "gimping" as i said, every mnk/sam/nin using usu head is gimping them self to i guess?
same with every thf with skadi head. just all turban all the time?

Dear god. I'll go TP in MOTHERFUCKING NOVIO EARRING BECAUSE IT LOOKS FANCY AND I DO ENOUGH DAMAGE FUCK YOU ELITIST PEOPLE SRSLY.

Usu head at least has accuracy on it, which is a pretty good tradeoff for a MNK. Shit is situational though, Turban will beat it in various cases.

Skadi head is horrible.. if even better than Denali Bonnet, it's still worse than Turban for TPing, yes..


Edit: Above people needs to post slower, and I need to click submit faster.

[Shin Volcano]

The argument isn't that haste rules all, although it could be. It's that 3 attack doesn't supplement the lost value of 1% haste when you're not capped on haste from equipment. Your argument about people using Usukane Somen over Turban falls to shit because it's supplementing accuracy+7 for Haste+2%, which is a pretty reasonable trade-off if you're not capped on accuracy, though I still wouldn't use it on SAM just because SAM can get far better use out of Askar zucchetto and even moreso, Ace's.

That being said, I choose to use Enkidu's leggings over Fuma Sune-ate because DEX+3 Att+4 is worth the Haste+1% I'd get from Fuma's and I'll probably never see Usukane Sune-ate ever.

Edit: Fuck how did I get beaten by everyone and their mother?

That's NOT my point lol, if somone chooses to use it, it's does not fall under the "WTF YOU SERIUS?" catogory is what i'm saying, now if they were using pather mask at 75 then yea, that is questionable, but i don't think it's fair to talk about somone who chooses to use it over turban, for whatever reason, DNC is a good job that it can be effectivly used on since they solo alot. nin, probably not. im not saying it's better to use in ANYWAY just be mindful of people who make there own choices, as long as it's RESONABLE. now using a impress hairpin over turban for example is somthing to wtf over, but not 2% lol

[Shin Volcano]

Dear god. I'll go TP in MOTHERFUCKING NOVIO EARRING BECAUSE IT LOOKS FANCY AND I DO ENOUGH DAMAGE FUCK YOU ELITIST PEOPLE SRSLY.

Usu head at least has accuracy on it, which is a pretty good tradeoff for a MNK. Shit is situational though, Turban will beat it in various cases.

Skadi head is horrible.. if even better than Denali Bonnet, it's still worse than Turban for TPing, yes..


Edit: Above people needs to post slower, and I need to click submit faster.

Why the fuck is Novio even an example, FAIL. not even going to bother with you. your definition of "worst" is minimal at best.

[Massimo]

Why the fuck is Novio even an example FAIL. not even going to bother with you. your definition of "worst" is minimal at best.

I apologize, I should have used an Impress Hairpin as an example instead.

[ryskar]

...Wow. Remind me never to mention Denali Bonnet on BG.