ACP: The New Blurple.

[Garka]

Where it might beat it on the agility/evasion front, shura will still outdo both.

[Shinryuu]

No. If he's ok with it I'll post a convo with Thorny I had on the subject where he did the math and showed that Enkidu beats Shura on lower stuff, cutoff point being 420 attack or so (under that, Shura wins). The added 5 DEX only means the gap widens.

[Gunitsoldier]

Who the fuck cares

[Not Kuno]

http://i42.tinypic.com/vidtuf.jpg

Well, as you can see, the Enmity/Fast Cast option gives us something of a Parallel figure. I feel that the downward angle symbolizes where this format will lead you: Down hill, towards failure.

http://i40.tinypic.com/a0f9cz.jpg

Whereas the Fast Cast/Enmity option makes something of a steeple figure. I think that it's apparent from this picture that this option is "Greater Than" the other.

Your research into this matter is very valuable to these forums. I commend you.

[TybudX]

Ok, so question for a BB MNK buddy of mine, what should he do, Shura, Enkidu's, or Mirke +10acc/att? Assume he fight's stuf that isn't HNM level.

[Shinryuu]

I'd say Mirke +10 ACC/+2% DA. Probably very slightly edges out the attack.

[Garka]

Yea, i completely agree about what you are saying about Enkidu vs. Shura on the lower stuff, and in all honesty the gap between the 3 pieces is so small its almost not worthy of too much comparison, I just see myself using Enkidu on pup more than mnk, and as far as the ACP body goes, not even wasting my time on it for the dex increase it can offer, while there are so many better options for other jobs. I guess I'm just thinking more on the idea of which piece for me is going to be the best overall, spreading the mass situations there can be vs. all the other jobs I have that I can vastly upgrade with a diff. ACP body.

[Octavious]

Omg, my friend & I were saying the exact same thing yesterday. I definitely made a few people pick the second augment as Enmity, my justification lined up with it being listed last on most of the other pieces with enmity as well as the fact that it's ascetically pleasing. (*^-^)

edit: I do feel slightly ripped off though, >_>; I picked the FC+5 Enmity+5 on Mirk for NIN casting, since I have already better pieces for the most part on other jobs. Although I might reacquire it to make a better TP piece for BLU instead of Homam, idk.

[Garka]

I'd say Mirke +10 ACC/+2% DA. Probably very slightly edges out the attack.

Yea I agree, the only time I wouldnt I guess is if i already had Shura, but again that goes more into what jobs you have/care about most for the body choice.

[Attila]

http://i42.tinypic.com/vidtuf.jpg

Well, as you can see, the Enmity/Fast Cast option gives us something of a Parallel figure. I feel that the downward angle symbolizes where this format will lead you: Down hill, towards failure.

http://i40.tinypic.com/a0f9cz.jpg

Whereas the Fast Cast/Enmity option makes something of a steeple figure. I think that it's apparent from this picture that this option is "Greater Than" the other.

Not to mention, it kinda reminds me of this:

Spoiler: show

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zpqnvq.jpg

Undisputed winner right here.

[TybudX]

And if he already has Shura, anything he can do that would help his up-and-coming RDM? No af2 body yet, so he can always trade ACP in when he gets one if FC is the way to go. I'm trying to groom him as a RDM tank, though, so any ideas in that direction would help (me).

[Furoris]

Omg, my friend & I were saying the exact same thing yesterday. I definitely made a few people pick the second augment as Enmity, my justification lined up with it being listed last on most of the other pieces with enmity as well as the fact that it's ascetically pleasing. (*^-^)

edit: I do feel slightly ripped off though, >_>; I picked the FC+5 Enmity+5 on Mirk for NIN casting, since I have already better pieces for the most part on other jobs. Although I might reacquire it to make a better TP piece for BLU instead of Homam, idk.

Yeah... wonder if anyone saw my sig after I changed it Saturday night...

Also I feel that the first stat implies what a person thinks is the more important/effective stat, even if it is only subconsciously, and since Fast Cast is by far the more important/unique stat for the piece it must go 1st.

[Garka]

And if he already has Shura, anything he can do that would help his up-and-coming RDM? No af2 body yet, so he can always trade ACP in when he gets one if FC is the way to go. I'm trying to groom him as a RDM tank, though, so any ideas in that direction would help (me).

For me as RDM, I wouldnt get R.R. unless i wanted a better piece for nukes, its also great as a SCH nuking piece. If you dont have af2 I wouldnt get it for the sole purpose of having the fast cast as you'd do better overall having errant and af/+1 at your disposal. As far as on the tanking side this is a good choice, i would then probably go with fast cast and enmity. But thats just me

[Thorny]

post away if you still have the math i did on msn, and yea both outdamage shura :/ 1.25 fstr on a relatively low delay weapon vs 7.5 attack is pretty close, enkidu's wins in most situations where attack is not ridiculously low. Furthermore, Mirke has an additional 5 DEX which translates to 2.5 acc and will give some degree of benefit to criticals. Mirke Acc/Atk > Shura Togi +1 > Enkidu's Harness > Shura Togi when only considering absolute damage, I would likely use enkidu's over a togi+1 if defensive stats are at all a concern.

too sleepy to do math on DA vs attack, i'll do it later if noone beats me to it but it's most likely better than acc/atk by a small margin

[Seraph]

I'm so torn. I visually like the look of Enmity up top better, but the middle finger concept amuses me...


Dammit.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

http://i42.tinypic.com/vidtuf.jpg

Well, as you can see, the Enmity/Fast Cast option gives us something of a Parallel figure. I feel that the downward angle symbolizes where this format will lead you: Down hill, towards failure.

http://i40.tinypic.com/a0f9cz.jpg

Whereas the Fast Cast/Enmity option makes something of a steeple figure. I think that it's apparent from this picture that this option is "Greater Than" the other.

Not to mention, it kinda reminds me of this:

Spoiler: show

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zpqnvq.jpg

Definitely the winner

[Ultimagi]

It must be in alphabetical order, I will have it no other way.

[Narol]

I'm so torn. I visually like the look of Enmity up top better, but the middle finger concept amuses me...


Dammit.

Giving the middle finger to someone in real life will grant you a sizeable enmity bonus, just as giving the middle finger in the game will grant you that invisible enmity bonus you can't live without.

[Norellicus]

BRUTAL LEFT, RAJAS RIGHT

[Day]

Who the fuck cares

Look man in case you haven't noticed a lot of people in this thread care. Take your trolling back to wherever, you just mad you don't have one.