WAR and polearm

[Byrthnoth]

Tbqh, look at this:
FFXIGEAR.com
and this:
FFXIGEAR.com

Okay, what's the difference?

[FailureMidgard]

Tbqh, look at this:
FFXIGEAR.com
and this:
FFXIGEAR.com

Okay, what's the difference?

More gil than my entire character is worth.

[Marcicus]

Orson, I'm going to need to see some parses to back that up. I have pretty good gear for my WAR and I have beaten myself every time using Engetsuto over Perdu Voulge (6/8 polearm 8/8 great axe, fort torque).

My WS gear, needs a gorget.

Main: Engetsuto
Sub: Pole Grip
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Hecatomb Cap
Neck: Peacock Charm
R.Ear: Brutal Earriing
L.Ear: Assault Earring
Body: Adaman Hauberk
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Iota Ring
Back: Forager's Mantle
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings

With this set and BRD/COR(cause who merits without both amirite), I -hardly- ever dip below 1k, and if I do it's a freak accident. I damn near full time Hasso and I have 4/3/3 DA/zerk/aggressor merits; yeah I'm gonna need some evidence before I swap back to Great Axe on birds.

edit: I also forgot to mention I don't have Madrigal or Hunter's Roll on me either. Just straight COR/Chaos/Min4/March

[Aragon of Odin]

Not a bad parse Shin, but if those numbers can be beat using G.Axe with more haste and capped hit rate on birds I feel more comftorable saving 4 combat merits and sticking with my A+ weapon.

A couple months ago I was in a pick up party with a War using Axe/Axe combo. He was only invited to be first voke for us so I didn't really care about his damage. Half way through the party he asks if he can switch to Polearm, I didn't care so long as he still first voked, his DoT went down massively due to the fact he was only WS'ing every 3-4 birds. His Acc dropped below 50%, I gather he had no Polearm merits but had it skilled enough to have Pentathust at least.

If you take a shit Axe/Axe War and give his a Polearm guess what? He's still going to be shit. The only way I see a Polearm being good in the hands of a War is if it's in the hands of a War who knows what they're doing, and if they know what they're doing they're not going to spend combat merits on something that's situational at best.

Bottom line is in the hands of the right user yes Polearm can be great situationally, but Greataxe can be great all the time.

[orson]

Orson, I'm going to need to see some parses to back that up. I have pretty good gear for my WAR and I have beaten myself every time using Engetsuto over Perdu Voulge (6/8 polearm 8/8 great axe, fort torque).

My WS gear, needs a gorget.

Main: Engetsuto
Sub: Pole Grip
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Hecatomb Cap
Neck: Peacock Charm
R.Ear: Brutal Earriing
L.Ear: Assault Earring
Body: Adaman Hauberk
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Iota Ring
Back: Forager's Mantle
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings

With this set and BRD/COR(cause who merits without both amirite), I -hardly- ever dip below 1k, and if I do it's a freak accident. I damn near full time Hasso and I have 4/3/3 DA/zerk/aggressor merits; yeah I'm gonna need some evidence before I swap back to Great Axe on birds.

edit: I also forgot to mention I don't have Madrigal or Hunter's Roll on me either. Just straight COR/Chaos/Min4/March

Unfortunately I don't have Polearm merits myself and I never kept parses from back that far but I'm sorta interested in taking the time at some point to test it out again. Back then I had significantly less acc gear than what you're running now I bet. Having a larger amount of acc gear could make it more viable. Those 6 Polearm merits also help make up a lot for the acc difference.

Now a days near perfectly geared and merited Drgs (minus relics) have a hard time competing with my War but I also run a full time Rune Chopper to hit 26% haste. Almost always full time /Sam and Hasso. Putting on a Engetsuto would lower my acc and haste by a noticeable chunk. I average around 800-1000 Raging Rushs on Colibri with Cor/Brd or Brd/Brd depending on the rolls/songs (Hume no Str merits yet, slightly lower str build on WS about 12 str less.)

Looking at your gear I'd say you've got a crap load of acc possibly even overloading on it for GAX (especially during aggressor.) How much haste do you run TPing or basically do you mind posting your TP build? Also not to be picky but double marchs are always going to do more than march/min in my opinion.

[Marcicus]

Main: Perdu Voulge
Sub: Pole Grip
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Fortitude Torque
R.Ear: Brutal Earriing
L.Ear: Assault Earring
Body: Adaman Hauberk
Hands: Dusk Gloves
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Forager's Mantle
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Aurum Sabatons

19%, capped acc without hasso/aggressor if I remember correctly.

edit: And no I haven't used Rune Chopper, maybe I will buy one some day and test it.

[orson]

I run this main TP.

Main: Rune Chopper
Sub: Pole Grip
Ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Fortitude Torque
R.Ear: Brutal Earriing
L.Ear: Ethereal Earrring
Body: Ares Cuirass
Hands: Dusk Gloves (Really need to get Hachiryu Kote or Ares' Gauntlets for this slot)
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Aurum Sabatons

8/8 GAX merits, 5/5 Zerk/Agg and I'm around 91-92% acc on Birds. Mostly the only reason I could myself doing better with a Polearm over GAX is if I got all HQ haste gear. Anyways I really think you maybe overloading on acc with GAX. I'd honestly try slowly substituting acc pieces for att/str at least during aggressor where you're obviously past max. I'm not sure it will make a noticeable damage increase but it can't hurt.

[Shinryuu]

Perdu doesn't beat Fort. Axe and I have yet to get a RDM willing to refresh me for chopper. If I can get a RDM to do so I'll parse it, it should be great since I could easily ding 118 DEX in TP with capped haste and hitrate, which means capped critical hitrate.

That tomoe's sam WS averages were HORRENDOUS.

So were mine. I mentioned this briefly, but I'm going to elaborate and say minuets were up less than 50% of the time. BRD was lazy. And by lazy, I mean kinda bad.

Also, lol@race argument. The only (melee) race that can do stuff other races can't do as well without sacrificing stuff is mithra with DEX builds. Which isn't all that great either.

[Mugekuge]

I had a friend i used to merit a lot, her main was drg, she did this as war/sam with gondo and 8/8 polearm merits:


war in cor brd --27_07_2008--...


That was with brd and cor, no madrigal, her acc is low but still her ws avg damage was really nice (1367 avg penta is nice for war), the 3k Penta was with MS of course.

[Neoex]

I'm around 91-92% acc on Birds. .

Yeah with madrigal maybe.

[Shinryuu]

I run this main TP.

Main: Rune Chopper
Sub: Pole Grip
Ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Fortitude Torque
R.Ear: Brutal Earriing
L.Ear: Ethereal Earrring
Body: Ares Cuirass
Hands: Dusk Gloves (Really need to get Hachiryu Kote or Ares' Gauntlets for this slot)
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Ulthalam's Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Aurum Sabatons

8/8 GAX merits, 5/5 Zerk/Agg and I'm around 91-92% acc on Birds. Mostly the only reason I could myself doing better with a Polearm over GAX is if I got all HQ haste gear. Anyways I really think you maybe overloading on acc with GAX. I'd honestly try slowly substituting acc pieces for att/str at least during aggressor where you're obviously past max. I'm not sure it will make a noticeable damage increase but it can't hurt.

Yeah you need more ACC bub. Ditch the core, torque, cuirass, ethereal, ulthalam's.

[Marcicus]

yeah what the f, Fire Bomblet, Haub(+1), Assault Earring are some of the few ACC pieces you need.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

Tbqh, look at this:
FFXIGEAR.com
and this:
FFXIGEAR.com

Okay, what's the difference?

Retardedly pimp taru = decently geared elvaan?

Of course the cliche player > gear, but this is a good example of why 2 characters wtih the SAME playstyle, elvaan wins out.

[el_tio]

Yeah with madrigal maybe.

Uhh it's really not that hard to get 92% acc on birds without buffs with g.axe war...

[Shinryuu]

Señor, I have capped (95%) hitrate on WAR without aggressor/madrigal/sushi/hunter's. We were merely commenting on the guy's lack of ACC gear.

Assault earring can be replaced by hollow earring, minuet earring, fowling earring, by the way.

[Valyana]

Ares Cuirass and Ethereal are to feed the Chopper. Should definitely get Bomblet though.

[Shinryuu]

Of course they are, but that doesn't make it very good.

[orson]

I out parse perdu adaberk Wars geared and merited like you all the time. Acc is important but having it more important than max haste is fail. I don't need a Rdm to feed the Rune Chopper at all. I know BG is obsessed with maxing out Acc but maxing out haste is what you should work on first. Even with the highest HQ gear you're sacrificing a significant amount of Acc for that haste. You really think that all those Wars running 24-25% haste fail at doing good damage? Even with full HQ haste you won't hit the max 26% that Rune Chopper hits.

Bomb Core is definitely one of the things I'd be swapping out for a fire bomblet when I get one. Acc is mainly important for tough HNMs that you won't have feint on. Other than that again I'd use Adaberk only on those kind of NMs and hope we'd have enough extra support to get a Rdm refreshing me.

P.S. I love how the person who's saying my build isn't good has full Aurum as one of their War goals...

[ninjafox]

Looks like its for color purposes >.>

[orson]

Looks like its for color purposes >.>

Adaberk? Hell no by no means am I saying it's not a fucking awesome piece. Just the reality is if you can't reliably get a Rdm to refresh you sanction/sigil refresh + Ares' Cuirass + Ethereal + Rune Chopper will net you more DoT unless you already have a HQ haste build. Also argue me this you honestly think that if the guy wielding a Polearm had a Rdm able to refresh him do you think it'd be worth it to use Rune Chopper while receiving haste, double marches, and hasso?