WAR and polearm

[el_tio]

Señor, I have capped (95%) hitrate on WAR without aggressor/madrigal/sushi/hunter's. We were merely commenting on the guy's lack of ACC gear.

Assault earring can be replaced by hollow earring, minuet earring, fowling earring, by the way.

Oh sry, I glazed over the ares body.

[Furoris]

The math if i remember correct from when i ran numbers for War awhile back says he would have 92%ish acc average with Agg up be like 93% down like 89% since he has capped aggressor that average makes sense, however friendly advice you might be able to put up even better numbers with some more acc though I'm guessing you already put some on between Agg.

Also I could justify ethereal and Ares body for Rune Chopper, with sanction probably wouldn't need refresh spell.

[orson]

The math if i remember correct from when i ran numbers for War awhile back says he would have 92%ish acc average with Agg up be like 93% down like 89% since he has capped aggressor that average makes sense, however friendly advice you might be able to put up even better numbers with some more acc though I'm guessing you already put some on between Agg.

Also I could justify ethereal and Ares body for Rune Chopper, with sanction probably wouldn't need refresh spell.

Ya definitely looking at Hachiryu and Ares hands to help with Acc, as I said before Fire Bomblet is definitely nice too I just haven't been able to afford one. Trying to finish up merits on other jobs and haven't had time to farm/ISNM for gil.

[richardd]

I out parse perdu adaberk Wars geared and merited like you all the time. Acc is important but having it more important than max haste is fail. I don't need a Rdm to feed the Rune Chopper at all. I know BG is obsessed with maxing out Acc but maxing out haste is what you should work on first. Even with the highest HQ gear you're sacrificing a significant amount of Acc for that haste. You really think that all those Wars running 24-25% haste fail at doing good damage? Even with full HQ haste you won't hit the max 26% that Rune Chopper hits.

Bomb Core is definitely one of the things I'd be swapping out for a fire bomblet when I get one. Acc is mainly important for tough HNMs that you won't have feint on. Other than that again I'd use Adaberk only on those kind of NMs and hope we'd have enough extra support to get a Rdm refreshing me.

P.S. I love how the person who's saying my build isn't good has full Aurum as one of their War goals...

i agree man. i seen you post a while now, and we always have the same ideas on gearing up similar jobs. ill be the 1st to admit i never have 95% acc on my war at REAL camps, but at the same time i feel like haste is the most important stat to shoot for (i liked my sam 1st because it was stronger and my main). ppl used to give me shit about not having askar head, but in the end, i wouldve stuck with turban even if i did have one. only piece i would swap out for acc when i was on my war is probably the aurum sabatons though. i had 4 gaxe merits and my jade pty's had me at around 88% acc with around 1100 average w/KJ. i dont think its too bad with only 4 merits. i know dudes like PNL probably average higher since he specifically mains it.

my war was kinda gimp since it was my newest job, but it still got the job done good.
- FFXIAH.com

i used to have cerb+1 but i was funding an amano at the time, and sold one agessss ago lol. my war was gimp bad! i never found the need to upgrade to dusk+1 since i had full usu as a mnk/sam/nin specialist and war and drk 2ndary but meh. LM-17! t'sall gewd

[Starr]

So what's better?
Sushi, high Haste: FFXIGEAR.com
or
Meat, with high Acc gear that would require OHat and Hachiryu Kote and Toreador's most likely...

[Tsuko_Asura]

So what's better?
Sushi, high Haste: FFXIGEAR.com
or
Meat, with high Acc gear that would require OHat and Hachiryu Kote and Toreador's most likely...

We are talking about birds, right? You'll want to start with a real six-hit.

Samurai has full-Usukane to keep them in five-hit, capped accuracy, and nearly-capped haste. Warrior should really just stick to Crab Sushi.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Adaberk? Hell no by no means am I saying it's not a fucking awesome piece. Just the reality is if you can't reliably get a Rdm to refresh you sanction/sigil refresh + Ares' Cuirass + Ethereal + Rune Chopper will net you more DoT unless you already have a HQ haste build. Also argue me this you honestly think that if the guy wielding a Polearm had a Rdm able to refresh him do you think it'd be worth it to use Rune Chopper while receiving haste, double marches, and hasso?

If you can't get a RDM to reliably Refresh you, get a new fucking RDM. When that spell means the difference between having 9% haste or not, they may as well be forgetting to actually cast Haste on you. There's no reason to let your accuracy go to shit because of incompetent support.

[Starr]

With a Weapon Delay of 480 to attain a 6 Hits Build, you need 29 Store Tp with 15 Store Tp form your Job Trait and 0 Store Tp form your Merits.
It means that you only have to wear 14 Store Tp while TPing and 11 while using a Weapon Skill.

wat? 14? Rajas, Brutal &...

[liggy 0]

With a Weapon Delay of 480 to attain a 6 Hits Build, you need 29 Store Tp with 15 Store Tp form your Job Trait and 0 Store Tp form your Merits.
It means that you only have to wear 14 Store Tp while TPing and 11 while using a Weapon Skill.

wat? 14? Rajas, Brutal &...

with 8/8 pole
FFXIGEAR.com
FFXIGEAR.com

?

[Starr]

and without 8 merits?

[Baelorn]

I meant to post this a bit ago but this guy did a pretty decent comparison of WAR weapons.

The unbearable triteness of preening: A comparison of Fortitude Axe, Perdu Voulge, and Engetsuto for Greater Colibri

No idea how accurate his math is though since I suck at ffxi math .

[Starr]

The maths is good but the conclusion is by far the most accurate:

Without sufficient accuracy and support though, meriting with polearm seems to be a waste of time.

[Fridell]

I save my Polearm for my SAM, when I'm WAR I like my GA better, even though I've seen and know I can get high results with Polearm for my WAR as well.

[Starr]

With no Polearm merits and keeping a 6-hit what would parse best:
FFXIGEAR.com capped Accuracy, 17% Haste and +5% Critical Hit Rate (from dDEX 45~50 cap).

or
FFXIGEAR.com 20% Haste, 88% Accuracy with no Aggressor and capped Accuracy under Aggressor which is up 70% of the time.
I don't have Aurum Cuirass or Hachiryu Kote but just curious.

[BerenTebogo]

Orson, I'm going to need to see some parses to back that up. I have pretty good gear for my WAR and I have beaten myself every time using Engetsuto over Perdu Voulge (6/8 polearm 8/8 great axe, fort torque).

My WS gear, needs a gorget.

Main: Engetsuto
Sub: Pole Grip
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Hecatomb Cap
Neck: Peacock Charm
R.Ear: Brutal Earriing
L.Ear: Assault Earring
Body: Adaman Hauberk
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Iota Ring
Back: Forager's Mantle
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings

With this set and BRD/COR(cause who merits without both amirite), I -hardly- ever dip below 1k, and if I do it's a freak accident. I damn near full time Hasso and I have 4/3/3 DA/zerk/aggressor merits; yeah I'm gonna need some evidence before I swap back to Great Axe on birds.

edit: I also forgot to mention I don't have Madrigal or Hunter's Roll on me either. Just straight COR/Chaos/Min4/March

Hmm. Does Gaxe pull farther ahead the better the gear is or does polearm?

This is my WS gear currently and I have an unlocked Gondo:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...806_140359.jpg

I also have room for Polearm merits <_<

[Knyghtmayre]

The full conclusion that Starr couldn't bother posting because he'd rather convince himself that mediocrity is acceptable:

If you had polearm merits and enough accuracy (whether from equipment or a Madrigal), a combination of polearm and meat mithkabob spamming could be more "efficient" (more so for 6-hit) if your idea of efficiency is wasting a bard song on Madrigal or spending millions on the scarce accuracy equipment (basically Toreador's Rings or Sniper Rings +1 and Cuchulain's Mantle) to eke out more accuracy. Without sufficient accuracy and support though, meriting with polearm seems to be a waste of time.

If you don't have polearm merits because you're too lazy/stubborn to remove your sword or axe merits, don't bother. If you can't afford accuracy gear because you rely on Pizzas to do the work for you, don't bother. If you can afford great gear, then go for it.

Edit: also

No combat skill merits are considered for the polearm cases. With that in mind, it seems futile to use polearm on Colibri without spamming crab sushi to achieve capped hit rate (or getting a Madrigal). Without meat mithkabobs and the high hit rate, the piercing bonus can't overcome the attack deficit.

[Tulun]

I'm curious about the Rune Chopper: Thrashes Perdu (and maybe polearm?) if you get the refresh?

[Madvillain]

Hmm. Does Gaxe pull farther ahead the better the gear is or does polearm?

This is my WS gear currently and I have an unlocked Gondo:

I also have room for Polearm merits <_<

The biggest problem I see with a lot of WARs is that they tend to use the same WS sets for both Polearm and GAxe. The issue with this, is that many WARs tend to use a lot of ACC gear, which is great for Polearm, but severly crushes their RR/KJ damage.

Sath for example: you have so much overkill for ACC in your WS. Fire Bomblet should be a Bomb Core(Keep the Bomblet for TP). Get yourself Sea Gorgets for KJ and RR. Assault Earrings should be a Brutal. Cuch's (Fine for TP, overrated IMO) should be a Forager's. Everything else is fine. Let the fact that an A+ weapon fully merited with Hasso/Aggressor with the other solid pieces you have for ACC (Gorget, Hauby +1, Haidate, Hecatomb) be all that you need. Take some unecessary pieces out and pump more attack/STR/DA into your WS build.

With those changes you are still WSing in +30 ACC and +43 DEX, but you gain 5% DA and +21 Attack.

Edit: Wtf with that gear and no Rajas?

[Berdysh]

I've parsed with Orson plenty, he is always around 91-92% overall ACC with that setup.

Rune Chopper vs. Perdu/Fort/Polearm is a matter of gear. Of course a really nice RC build is going to win against your common WAR wearing 19% haste, but other weapons are going to scale much better with HQ gear. If you have HQ Dusk and Speed, then RC's only going to be for stuff like mixing in Hachi hands, etc., for crit builds.

[Spider-Dan]

The full conclusion that Starr couldn't bother posting because he'd rather convince himself that mediocrity is acceptable:

If you had polearm merits and enough accuracy (whether from equipment or a Madrigal), a combination of polearm and meat mithkabob spamming could be more "efficient" (more so for 6-hit) if your idea of efficiency is wasting a bard song on Madrigal or spending millions on the scarce accuracy equipment (basically Toreador's Rings or Sniper Rings +1 and Cuchulain's Mantle) to eke out more accuracy. Without sufficient accuracy and support though, meriting with polearm seems to be a waste of time.

The problem I have with the linked "article" is that it appears to presume no outside attack buffs/defense debuffs at all. If you throw Chaos Roll or a 2nd BRD (double Min) in the mix, the difference in pDIF between PLM and GAX is significantly reduced.

In fact, generally speaking, the ATK buffs/DEF debuffs on the mob, the better PLM will do over GAX. And since elite-level parties will have plenty of the above, if you are a person that is in a position to care about min-maxing GAX vs. PLM, then you are almost certainly in a position to have plenty of pDIF boosts from support.