Assassin's Creed II

[Kyo]

Each one is going to be about 1 GB of data, I doubt its just 2 hours.

[Atreides]

the god of war 3 demo was 2.7gb and lasted around 20 minutes!

but yeah uh, if you notice when you go to a Fast Travel Station that there's a whole neighborhood in Florence that's blocked off in the south, so I'm guessing that's where Bonfire of the Vanities will take place?

[Kyo]

the god of war 3 demo was 2.7gb and lasted around 20 minutes!

but yeah uh, if you notice when you go to a Fast Travel Station that there's a whole neighborhood in Florence that's blocked off in the south, so I'm guessing that's where Bonfire of the Vanities will take place?

Thats an entire game setting, these are adding on to an existing world, dont make me pussy slap you.

[Atreides]

you can slap me with whatever fleshy bits you want

[Insanecyclone]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genme...topic=52357745

ending talk, spoilers.

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What does Subject 16's The Truth video mean?

Strictly speaking, it isn't just a video. It's a memory, as recorded by the Animus. This means that Subject 16 must be a descendent of Adam. Not figuratively, but born of Adam's ancestry. The memory reveals that the story of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden is true-in a fashion. It would appear that they disobeyed their masters and strove to rebel by stealing a Piece of Eden, an Apple, presumably to give themselves some kind of defense or power to resist. This could have been the first act of defiance that led to the conflict described by Minerva. The "innocence" of humankind was lost when we realized how much of their superiority lay in their technglogy, and a war between the two species-First Civilization and humans-began.

So, what we draw from this is that Suject 16, contrary to some theories i saw early, is a descendent of Adam, the one in the video. Seemingly, along wih Eve, he stole a piece of Eden to gain free will, the power to resist, and thus helped to lead to the uprising and conflict Minerva spoke of. The people of the First Civilization mut have developed this technology, and created humans to be their slaves.

Is this why "Apples" can be used to control humans?

Subject 16's record also shows that the artifacts-the Staff, the Apple, the Pieces of Eden-were tools that the First Civilization used to wield power over humans. Whether the aritfacts were made to control humans, or humans were made to obey the artifacts, is another mater. Even so, some are immune to their effects.

Morever, the Glyph puzzles give hints to the involvement of Pieces of Eden in world history. Famous figures and crucial events may have been shaped by the influence that the technology can exert.

So, based on this explanaton we can see that the pieces of eden were simply tools that were used by the beings of the First Civilization. This would mean that they were incredibly higly advanced in a technological sense. The fact that these tools allowed them to manipulate humans to the point that those humans have no free will, and even more so that they could "Create" or "Build" humans, is proof of this. But, some humans were able to resist the effects of these tools. How?

Are Desmond, Ezio, and Altair somehow descended from the members of the First Civilization? Doe this explain Eagle Vision, ad their resistance to Pieces of Eden?

From Subject 16's The Truth memory, it's also apparent that Adam and Eve demonstrate feats of agility that might ordinarily be scribed to Assassins. Are they humans? What might be interesting is here is to note the text from Subject 16's Glyph Puzzle #14, which reads:

The seeds were planted as two worlds became one. Behold, the Assassins, the children of two worlds!

If we were built in their image, is it too much to suggest that Assassins. with their innate abilities, are a product of the union of human and the First Civilization?

This one was an eye opener for me, as it makes so much sense. Humans can't just see in such as way as eagle vision. There would have to be some other factor that allowed them to. This speculation, that Assassins are the product of a human and First Civilization being, would offer some explanation. The First Civilization peoples, although mortal, were not humans. They created humans in their own image. This would make it possible for reproduction between the two. By this logic, the Eagle Vision and, perhaps, high levels of agility, would be attributed to the hereditary aspects recieved from the First Civilization.

Now i'll go into the details and speculations given in regards to the First Civilization itself.

Who is Minerva?

"Minerva was one of the last surviving members of the First Civilization, and so it fell to her to shoulder their duies to prosperity. She is most cetainly long dead, even in Ezio's time, as it is clear that only a holographic simulacrum of her now remains. The Capitoline Triad of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva was a sub-pantheon of supreme deities worshipped in Rome long before the Holy Roan Empire, prior even to the Republic.

What are the images that appear on the wall as Minerva speaks to Desmond?

"They show vault locations: this is the true "data" of Minerva's fenetic tranmission. For example, you can clearly see the step pyramids, so one can assume that there's a Vault in Mesoamerica or perhaps in a ziggurat of Mesopotamia. But what are the other symbols and images?

Looking back to Assassins Creed 1, Altair encountered a holo-globe indicating the locations of other Pieces Of Eden. These may well be the same locations as the Vaults that Minverva describes."

So, perhaps there are more of these holograms, that hold more information about the First Civilization, the Creation of Mankind, and the Uprising tha would make Humanity king.

What is the link between the First Civilization and the Roman gods?

"In passing, Minerva mentions the Etruscan etymology of her name. With the other names she gives us, the unavoidable implication is that all faiths and mythologies have derived from her people's manipulations of, or interactions with, humans. It also follows that all known 'gods' and 'goddesses' were actually members of the First Civilization, local to regions where respective religions first flourished."

So, the members of the First Civilization, due to their power of humans, may have manipulated them into thinking they were serving gods and godesses.

How long have Minerva and her companions in the other sarcophagi been dead?

"It is possible that they lay dead for millennia before they came to be worshipped as gods...

Are Members of the First Civilization human?

"They must be mortal, at least, though little more is known. Perhaps they're just human, but with the ability to tap greater potential only latent in mankind. In any case, the First Civilization is clearly tremendously advanced, with incedible technology, but there is no indication of whetehr they are from another time, or space, or dimenson, or simply the true and original indigenous race of Earth. Minerva says they built humans in their own image, and that theymade them to survive. But it appears they made us too well: not content to exist as slaves and inferiors."

This doesn't confirm whether or not the members of the First Civilization were human, however i believe that they were the truly original inhabitants of earth, and that human were created in their image, but to be their slaves.

Who won the war between the First Civilization and humans?

"All we know is that the First Civilization died, and that humans didn't, so we can assume that the latter (and more specifically, we might guess, proto-templars in heir lust for power) won the war. This would explain why Minerva warns Desmond to"guard against the cross-for there are many who wil lstand in your way."

As confirmed here, and by Minerva herself, humans rebelled, and took over the Earth for themselves. But, the First Civilization was not entirely wiped outpthe vaults still remain.

The "Cross" Minerva speaks of must be the Templar Cross, their symbol. This would offer some proof that perhaps it was "proto-templars" that started the war, after Adam and Eve stole the "Apple" and gave free will to others.

[Atreides]

seriously cannot even remotely wait for AC3

[Odesseiron]

Queue the entitlement speech, cause that's a bunch of bullshit. If that's the 2 memories that were missing, and you have to pay for them, I will lol bigtime. I liked the game and all, but not enough to pay for DLC for some more quests running around that shoulda been in there from the get go.

[Kyo]

Queue the entitlement speech, cause that's a bunch of bullshit. If that's the 2 memories that were missing, and you have to pay for them, I will lol bigtime. I liked the game and all, but not enough to pay for DLC for some more quests running around that shoulda been in there from the get go.

I do have to agree partially, while the story itself was a robust experience, those two items seems like they should have been in the game.

[Atreides]

especially when they're not really going to add much to the overall story, unless it's going to imply that Ezio is going to have a baby with that one chick or something, maybe?

But yeah, I can't see how they'll tie the DLC into the whole pieces of eden plot, so unless they give you some new equipment/moves (which I doubt) they'll probably just give you some random amount of money that anyone who's made it through 75% of the game will no loner need anyway.

edit: of course I'll still probably end up paying for it, cuz I'm a sucker for that stuff

[Devolver]

My catch 22 with this is

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Why would a member of the First Civilization even care to offer help for us, when we're the ones who rose up against them? My only guess is how it relates to whole 'Jesus died and how he is there for us even though we killed him' thing, I suppose

[Bloodwraith]

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Adam and Eve in the video were'nt both human? What if one was an ancient and the other human and they were in love? With the ancient helping the human escape... maybe?

[ArchDizzle]

@ Bloodwraith

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MOTHER FUKCING SPOILER TAGS GOD DAMNIT!

[Bloodwraith]

Sorry, I tried to use a spoiler tag but couldnt figure out where it was.

[Qalbert]

Sorry, I tried to use a spoiler tag but couldnt figure out where it was.

spoiler words /spoiler
with brackets around the word spoiler

[Kyo]

[ spoiler ] [/spoiler] Take out the spaces on the first spoiler and put what you wanna say between them, pretty simple.

[Bloodwraith]

Thanks

[ArchDizzle]

Thank you, I hate spoilers, and haven't beat AC2 yet almost made me shoot you, etc.

[Qalbert]

Thank you, I hate spoilers, and haven't beat AC2 yet almost made me assassinate you, etc.

ftfy

[ArchDizzle]

ftfy

lol.

[Bozo]

@Big spoiler

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Didn't the game say Eagle Vision was a side effect of the Animus?

Edit: Misunderstood it. It's a side effect of the Animus bleeding effect but Altair had the ability according to wiki.