The DRG at 75 by Starr

[Starr]

Zahak's mail is better than Heca always on Drakesbane yeah

[eva00r]

Question

Does Skystrider worth to use without Supremacy Earring ?

[Wolfknight]

Question

Does Skystrider worth to use without Supremacy Earring ?

it's good polearm still but isn't worth the price tag atleast on levi.

[Starr]

Not worth it without Earring no

[S N K]

Yeah honestly if you don't have that earring then just get the blue Mezraq.

[ringthree]

wtf

Same basic principle behind full Usukane SAM's using Sword Strap, if you have the Store TP to support it Sword Strap is better than any other grip.

[Valyana]

if you're not building a WS build around crits is zahak's usefulness dropped dramatically compared to heca?

No. The only stats where stacking a lot of it has increasing returns are Haste and DEX (when you can get to +45-50 over mob AGI). And Store TP I suppose, if you add enough to drop another hit to 100. +Crit is linear, so you actually get less benefit out of it the more you stack.

[Shinryuu]

Store TP is weird, sort of. You need more sTP to cut hits the more hits you've already cut, but your WS frequency increase in % goes up the less hits to TP you need. Going from 2 to 1 hit after WS to 100 TP is a 100% increase, for instance (impossible, I know).

Damage reduction% (damage, phys, or magic) has increasing returns, too.

The more crits you do, the higher your crit-weighted pDIF is and thus the less a crit adds to that (since it's +1 from non-crit-weighted pDIF).

[noodles355]

Blitz Ring will be your next best choice if you have full merits and good Accuracy gear, if not then Toreador/Sniper+1/Divisor Ring,

Where Toredor's puts you at acc cap (Where it gives the smallest bonus if no acc is lost to cap), it requires Blitz to put you from 73 to 74% Haste (For it to beat the 3.82% boost from toredor going from 91.5>95%Acc). Say Ace's/3Homam/Vbelt, 19% Haste, 43.75% from buffs and 10% from hasso, that puts you at 72.75%. That's less than 73% befor Blitz. Add Turban and Blitz beats Toredor's.

Blitz is only better if at acc cap, or Max magic haste and over 20% haste in gear with hasso.


Also, Homam > NQ Dusk unless at acc cap. 3Acc > 5Att.

Also, you missed out Zaide, which is an upgrade from Thalassocrat. Love Halberd too, which beats both Zaide and Thala in zergs.

Also, Should definitely have at least 1 merit in Empathy. Being able to give Body Boost or Giant's Drink to your wyvern is brilliant for /Mage. As is giving it Fanatics or Spy's in Nyzul. And in fact Haste in a normal merit party.
Also should mention Ethreal Earring - best partner to Brutal for Solo, but you've missed out solo anyway.

Also, maybe state the value of a Hauby style Nuevo Coselet. Wars are laughed at for using Askar over a NQ Hauby, why is Drg different?

Edit: You also missed Ares Legs for TP. If you don't have Homam or Barba, they can potentially be the next best piece if the 6Str gives +2fStr and if the 6Dex gives 5Acc (Basically, if it rounds up well). Hell, run the numbers, you may be surprised to see how close Ares legs can come fo homam if you get lucky with the Str/Dex rounding.

[Wolfknight]

Also, maybe state the value of a Hauby style Nuevo Coselet. Wars are laughed at for using Askar over a NQ Hauby, why is Drg different?

because drg needs it for 6-hit and thus it's arguable that acc/store tp on it good but most would rather use askar and get body for other jobs.

[Yugl]

Also, you missed out Zaide, which is an upgrade from Thalassocrat. Love Halberd too, which beats both Zaide and Thala in zergs.

Thalassocrat has +1 Base DMG and enough delay to net a six-hit build much easier than Zaide. Don't forget that Thalassocrat also provides DEX for ACC and a EVAs down effect, which is beneficial for all melees.

Also, maybe state the value of a Hauby style Nuevo Coselet. Wars are laughed at for using Askar over a NQ Hauby, why is Drg different?

DRG has two ACC traits and can make up for missing ACC in other slots. I don't know about WAR specifically, but I know most DRGs miss out on a 6-Hit build without an sTP+ Body. With a Vork, you can achieve a 6-Hit build using White Tathlum, but if you do have a Vork, Aurum is still much better. So basically, the difference is a 6-Hit Build (Not sure about this), two ACC traits, and the ability to make up for needed ACC in other slots.

[Shinryuu]

DRG doesn't need a true 6-hit.

[Wolfknight]

DRG doesn't need a true 6-hit.

does for colibiri but anything else should be able to get by w/askar on tp and other body on jumps/ws.

[Shinryuu]

For Colibri there's still getting hit, meditate, and jumps. The odds of not getting TP in 6 hits after Tickle are simply too low to make any sacrifice at all... though, to be honest, I would make a Store TP/ACC Nuevo if I'd make one for my DRG; Wheeling Thrust, weird meditate 5-hit cuts, perhaps a 5-hit when both jumps are up... Love Halberd 7-hit? Not sure.

[Wolfknight]

For Colibri there's still getting hit, meditate, and jumps. The odds of not getting TP in 6 hits after Tickle are simply too low to make any sacrifice at all... though, to be honest, I would make a Store TP/ACC Nuevo if I'd make one for my DRG; Wheeling Thrust, weird meditate 5-hit cuts, perhaps a 5-hit when both jumps are up... Love Halberd 7-hit? Not sure.

Plenty of times I've had JAs down, WS get tickled and mob dies, cause other DD ws, so I'd rather not have to wait extra swing then for ws[that said I still don't ws in askar obivously], and I parse 93% so acc/store tp seems meh since then I could switch to nuevo/forager instead of askar/cuch mantle, but I'd rather get body for different job.

[Shinryuu]

Huh, you don't parse 95% on birds? My gimpshit (gimpshit, as in, my polearm WAR does everything better) DRG without homam has 420 ACC (5 polearm merits) if I don't count the body I use (Pahluwan >___________>). Dropping hasso, that's 410, and capped.

[Limlight]

God i just love drg/mage for all things it can do:nice damage, cures, status debuffs etc. I have a friendly competition with a lsmate who has gungir and we go balls to the wall during every event.

And yea the parses are dead even with him (for events not on birds <.<), yes i'm main tanking einherjar and most ever event we do non hnm as war/nin and he's drg/maging it up. Its hella fun.

My only real point is that you guys dismiss ridill wars too much (kenny doesn't count you have a friggin amano lol) On the parses I'm always dead even with the gungir drg(again for events not merits!), and i blow everyone else away (and we have a couple very well geared sams. (this is for events like einherjar/limbus/znms and other non merit situations) war/sam is fun(and realisitically speaking yes i know it does more damage i'm 8/8 gaxe as well and i have a nice set up I love using it for zergs), but its for when i'm feeling lazy and don't want to actually work at blink tanking on my war D: To me war is one of the better tanking jobs, outside pld/nin on the big stuff its my favorite job to play. Doing all that damage and blink tanking stuff just appeals to me, I've done all the events you guys have and my war/sam can't tank nearly as effectively as my war/nin sure the damage backs down some but things just run so much smoother. I guess its just a different way of doing things, and i'm sure someone will nitpick.

Merits is entirely a different story /sam works and works wonders, i'm not denying that at all.

btw, I got all my builds for manny/ridill from panthera, the guy's just a monster, he can come off kinda rude but he has valid points, but also yea he's too stubborn to change his views on /sam.

P.S. I'm so impressed with drg's in general and drg/mage i'm lvling it myself <_<!

[Wolfknight]

Huh, you don't parse 95% on birds? My gimpshit (gimpshit, as in, my polearm WAR does everything better) DRG without homam has 420 ACC (5 polearm merits) if I don't count the body I use (Pahluwan >___________>). Dropping hasso, that's 410, and capped.

I am elvaan, and never hasso really and war has aggressor + byakko for uber acc, My parsed acc is 92~94 currently only way could pick up more acc is Aurum Body[working on], black tathulm[rip off prices only here], ace's helm[don't do HNMs], or toreader ring[waiting for ENM to put out]'
I use:
thal/pole[claymore somtimes]/---/Tiphia
Askar/love/Assault/brutal
Askar/Homam/ulta/rajas
Cuch/Velo/Homam/homam
Puts at 398 acc w/set-up only other way could get more is if I drop acc for haste, so you not having homam legs RAISES acc since[assuming AF +1 or Askar].

[Shinryuu]

Thal/pole/---/Tiphia
Walahra/PCC/Brutal/Minuet
---/Dusk/Rajas/Blitz
Cuch/Swift/Aurum/Aurum

When I get my 8/8 polearm (tomorrow, basically) I sit at near-capped hitrate if I don't count body (might get aurum soon, using Pahluwan now), Hasso, or the 4 extra ACC from aurum cuisses. At the moment, I have 428 ACC under Hasso (and w/ 8/8 polearm). 404 without any body (for the sake of argument), -4 ACC from getting homam pants, and -10 from hasso. Then again I'd just switch to blood ring.

Edit: loldumb

[Wolfknight]

Thal/pole/---/Tiphia
Walahra/PCC/Brutal/Minuet
---/Dusk/Rajas/Blitz
Cuch/Swift/Aurum/Aurum

When I get my 8/8 polearm (tomorrow, basically) I sit at capped hitrate if I don't count body (might get aurum soon, using Pahluwan now), Hasso, or the 4 extra ACC from aurum cuisses. At the moment, I have 446 ACC under Hasso (and w/ 8/8 polearm).

bullshit what acc calculator you running <_<, I count 62+15[5+3+4+1+2] dex, +32 acc[10+7+5+3+5+3+2], 292 skill, which gives 200+32+22+67*.75+.9*92 = 391 acc