The DRG at 75 by Starr

[oscurodrago]

cuchu + sea gorget as said

what sj? what food? what merits? what camp?

Expecting to break 1.5k with any WS all the time on mamool is unrealistic but I'd also drop the pixie for a Triumph

i'll buy cuchu and black thatlum ... but before i need farm a bit more and give back some gil to my friends....
i tryed @ colibri camp.. so i didn't used a food bcz is only a waste but on other camps i use courel sub or rabbit pie...
my sj was /sam
i have shadow and light gorget but i think love torque is better with ws like Penta and drakesbane bcz are multi hit.. and i got a confirm of that after some test (also Starr is his guide to drg don't say notthing about them)
change pixie for a thirum isn't a bad idea but like cuchu need money for it so pizie i think is better than notthing ; ;

i didn't "expecting to break 1.5k with any WS all the time" but i tought with a relic my average damage of WS will be incrased by 100-200 points of dmg,
but my average before relic was 1000 and after it is always 1000, so what change when someone have a relic? ; ; ...

[Drace]

For starters, spend a few k on mithkabobs for bird parties... thats really not going to hurt the wallet of someone that can upgrade a relic. Next, its just math - you sound like you are just eye-balling results before. Your new shiny is going to be more dmg than your previous one, stop eyeballing, start parsing.

[Wolfknight]

i have shadow and light gorget but i think love torque is better with ws like Penta and drakesbane bcz are multi hit.. and i got a confirm of that after some test (also Starr is his guide to drg don't say notthing about them)
change pixie for a thirum isn't a bad idea but like cuchu need money for it so pizie i think is better than notthing ; ;

gorget > love unless you're in high crit rate from dex

[Argettio]

For starters, spend a few k on mithkabobs for bird parties... thats really not going to hurt the wallet of someone that can upgrade a relic. Next, its just math - you sound like you are just eye-balling results before. Your new shiny is going to be more dmg than your previous one, stop eyeballing, start parsing.

I think he is annoyed that the change isn't big enough for him to eyeball it.

Although I agree, start parsing and you will see the difference (you will have to do a parse with an another weapon to have something to compare too).

[BerenTebogo]

i'll buy cuchu and black thatlum ... but before i need farm a bit more and give back some gil to my friends....
i tryed @ colibri camp.. so i didn't used a food bcz is only a waste but on other camps i use courel sub or rabbit pie...
my sj was /sam
i have shadow and light gorget but i think love torque is better with ws like Penta and drakesbane bcz are multi hit.. and i got a confirm of that after some test (also Starr is his guide to drg don't say notthing about them)
change pixie for a thirum isn't a bad idea but like cuchu need money for it so pizie i think is better than notthing ; ;

i didn't "expecting to break 1.5k with any WS all the time" but i tought with a relic my average damage of WS will be incrased by 100-200 points of dmg,
but my average before relic was 1000 and after it is always 1000, so what change when someone have a relic? ; ; ...

Before I read anything else - i will edit in if i have anything to add - your biggest problem is that you openly admit to not eating food because it's a waste?

You upgraded a relic...forgive the condescending tone but you UPGRADED A FUCKING RELIC...and you cant drop 15k on enough kabobs to last anyone and their mother a 3 hour exp party?

Sure it's not ground breaking but that alone means you're cutting corners. The fact that you also have a relic and think that torque is better means you totally cut corners on learning jack shit about pretty much anything DD related.

You have the gear to back it up and probably the merits but I just can't wrap my head around what is being said here. There is just zero excuse for not eating food - ever - by anyone.

Want your WS average to go up? Start eating 300g per food meat kabobs and then make some significant gear changes. Fuck.

[Valisk]

cuchu + sea gorget as said

what sj? what food? what merits? what camp?

Expecting to break 1.5k with any WS all the time on mamool is unrealistic but I'd also drop the pixie for a Triumph

Shouldn't he aim for 118 dex for drakesbane (birds) before replacing things with str? I'm no DD, just curious.

[Zatho]

Ok I just wanna make sure ur average on birds with that gear let along a relic is not 1000 bc if it is idk wtf to say to that. Avelle there are like 2 or 3 drgs in my server without relic that are beasts on mamool or birds. One of them on birds is just sick and the gungnir galka I watched once was doing up to 900 jumps and 2k ws back then, I would love to merit with him now that his gear is much better.

[Loziel]

Your doing it wrong, firstly buy some C.Subs even at birds, take a few stacks, you just bought a relic, so spend a little more on food. I have a similar WS setup to your own except no Relic (Fork) and over a long parse i usually average around 1200-1300 on birds with occational 2-3k monsters on DA procs.

[Gunslinger]

I see people recommending Cuchulain's Mantle... why the hell would he WS in a Cuchulain's Mantle as a Dragoon? He also has +20 accuracy on his weapon so...

Assuming he has 8/8 PA merits (why wouldn't he with a relic?), and +42 acc between his weapon and job traits WITHOUT the dex bonus (which he actually has quite a bit of), he doesn't need more accuracy and he's using a 100d weapon- load up on attack.

His problem is likely low attack. Eat subs, get more bards and/or cors, and remember you're not a Ranger. Rangers damage is calculated quite a bit differently. If you don't already use it, get a solid 6-hit, and you'll make up the 'missing' damage in WS frequency. Parse your damage, don't eyeball it.

Also, I don't know if you got it from the last paragraph: BUY FOOD, YOU HAVE A RELIC SPEND YOUR GIL TO SUPPORT IT NOW.

*ahem*

[Valisk]

I see people recommending Cuchulain's Mantle... why the hell would he WS in a Cuchulain's Mantle as a Dragoon? He also has +20 accuracy on his weapon so...

You do realize Cuchulain's has 4 str and 4 dex right? Wouldn't 1 str and 4 dex do more for Drakesbane than 15 attack? Especially since he isn't at capped dex on birds.

[liggy 0]

You do realize Cuchulain's has 4 str and 4 dex right? Wouldn't 1 str and 4 dex do more for Drakesbane than 15 attack? Especially since he isn't at capped dex on birds.

if hes not using meat and isnt getting proper song/rolls.. att does make a difference on the hits that land as a crit. im assuming the question was about his dmg range and not the the crit hits on the ws. goin from 900~1k to 1.1 ~ 1.5k aver will come from his added att since both those rangers are 1~2/4 crits on the ws. i wouldnt use cuch unless i was getting double brd or brd/cor with the right att buffs with meat

[Gunslinger]

You do realize Cuchulain's has 4 str and 4 dex right? Wouldn't 1 str and 4 dex do more for Drakesbane than 15 attack? Especially since he isn't at capped dex on birds.

I do, and it likely won't, especially if his problem is low attack. Unless he's gearing specifically for dex (and maybe even if he is), the attack is going to serve him better.

Even with meat and proper rolls, he's probably going to be around ~600-650 attack with a Rank 11 weapon as /sam. I think that attack is probably a safer bet, especially since he can't eat real food.

I'm sure there's some high attack threshold where Cuch becomes better, but I'm willing to bet it's over 600-650.

[liggy 0]

with oscurodrago he would have to keep his current gear n aim for 670+~via food/song/rolls to bring his average to 1.5~2k

my range sits around 1.4~2.3(no dia/angon) - FFXIAH.com (ignore the claymore grip) with a similar build

[Hioki]

Maybe a bit off but what about Askar Legs, where would they sit in the TP/WS line? I'm a bit curious on DB+1 vs Askar.

[noodles355]

5Att (and some Dex for crit trade off) for 1Acc? I'd use them.

Probably fall somewhere in 3rd-5th place for TP choices after Homam and Barba.

[oscurodrago]

today i got pt @ greather colibri i used "Meat Mithkabob" all the time but unfortunately we was w/o brd or cor ; ; however....

kparser result...

that is with love torques WS result
- Drakesbane 61260 100,00% 50/0 100,00% 172/2055 1225,20

and that is with light gorget
- Drakesbane 46337 100,00% 39/0 100,00% 502/1820 1188,13

*note: every 3 minute i used angon + ws for both neck...

so.. form that i can say love torque is better than gorget.... but anyway i think is bit low as dmg for ws with relic.. ; ;

i was thinking also to use for built tp Askar Zukketto instead of ace's helm bcz +7 accuracy with relic (+20 acc) is usless so +4dex can be better, what do u think about that?

also for you as ring for bult tp is better Rajas + Ulthalam's Ring or replace Ulthalam's Ring with blitz ring?


cya

[Shinryuu]

Use a fucking turban

Edit: and blitz

[Drace]

but anyway i think is bit low as dmg for ws with relic.. ; ;

Really not sure what else to tell you at this point; I think you expected way too much out of a relic and wanted it to make you he-man the instant you finished it. It's the best dmg you can get from a polearm, you are doing more dmg in terms of both regular melee, WS, jumps etc now than you were before you had it. Did you do any research/ comparisons with your other Polearms on it before you finished it or were you just expecting it to double your dmg because its a "relic"?

[Shinryuu]

It's only a couple percent more damage than Thalasso, probably around 3%-4% on WS and like 6% in TP. Not taking into account the ACC.

[Gunslinger]

He should still be getting much higher numbers based on his gear, occasional extra damage procs, etc. I'm beating his damage with a Valk Fork easily- I love my fork, but I know it shouldn't be doing better than his relic.

The torque is probably showing better damage in your test because of small sample size / lack of brd/cor (you have less attack, torque gives you +att for all swings, etc). Less attack also makes crits all-that-more important, since your average damage is lower, so maybe the dex is helping too.

That said, I think it's pretty much a wash using either one- I use torque on Drakes and Light on Wheeling Thrust because it has 'felt' better, but it parses very close, usually with torque only slightly ahead on merits. On endgame stuff where you're less likely to crit gorget might do better, but you'd probably use wheeling anyway unless you're buffed up and mob is debuffed.

Answer me this, maybe I missed it somewhere is in your posts-

What are your merits (as relevant to dragoon- combat, job merits, stats)? What sub are you using for these tests? What sub do your normally use?