ACP Body Augments - Monk

[Talisien]

There was a thread that ended up discussing this last week but it didn't get finished, and I was hoping I'd get the answer.

Obviously Acc+10, but after that, what wins between Attack, Double Attack and Crit.

This question is geared mostly for Monks that might get Usu body one day, but not soon, and would use this as an SH(+1) upgrade, and alternative to Shura/Enkidu.

Thanks for the help.

-tali

[BerenTebogo]

I was thinking ACC+10 and Crit+3%

TBR is currently testing it for me as I don't have MNK leveled. But Crit+3% makes the most sense for TP, honestly.

Usukane body is better than any combo if you have it.

[Tyramut]

My opinion is, if you're replacing an SH(+1) get Acc/Attk. If you have Shura/Enkidu and just want some variety to TP in for different situations get Acc/Crit for sure. If you're a super-pro awesome MNK that has everything, get Acc/Fast cast for epic ichi macros.

[BerenTebogo]

I'm honestly curious, not going to argue against some job specific crap for a job I don't have, but how could ATT+10 on a H2H job with Destroyers ever do more damage than an extra crit +3%?

[graph about diminishing returns of ATT goes here]

[Tyramut]

I say Acc/Attk only if you're upgrading from an SH and don't have any other options for a body to Asuran Fists in, as Attk is the shit for multi-hit WS like AF. Granted like 80% of a monks total dmg is from melee, I know. But all I see is a trumped up Pahluwan body.

[BerenTebogo]

You get minimal fSTR and DEX(2.5ACC + add small # to crit%)

I mean yeah it's not GREAT - but neither is shura or sh or anything besides Usukane imo. MNK just got shit end of the stick body-wise pre-salvage.

[Balrock246]

Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI

The post is by Milich, a noted poster on both alla and here. Very trusted guy who knows his FFXI math.

For those unwilling to read he basically says:

ACP body (w/ +10 att/acc) = Usu body > Togi = Enkidu

[Balrock246]

Won't let me edit my previous post so....

[link]http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=11;mid=123781195998611503;page=1;ho wmany=50#m1237836917255779964[/link]

[Arcanesoul]

Just to add that's just the bodies on their own, and not including HQ. I think those posts also said HQ togi was better body than Usukane body or ACP hauby body, but full Usukane beats out the mix and match.

There was also some posts on the crit body too and milch said that monks have a reasonable crit rate (12%? going from memory here) and so the additional crit is doing less than the atk. It's on alla's boards somewhere in there, including all the assumed conditions.

[Kongolo]

not a mnk.. but imo since u cant get much more DA or Crit ithink u should go for acc/att

[Emirii]

Acc/Attack, because Monk is more of a DoT job than a 1-hit-KO type thing. Adding a few more damage each hit will benefit you more than criticalling for twice your damage once every 7-10 hits or so.

[The Blackrose]

I was thinking ACC+10 and Crit+3%

TBR is currently testing it for me once he gets his damn parser fixed and finds some time.

Fixed.

Also fixed the Alla link, which still sort of failed.

[Meat]

10 attack+ dbl attack and decent free hf bodypiece?

edit* hf= howling fist

[Cream Soda]

Depends on what you're HF'ing on. If you don't have feint (for example, it's not a zerg but you're 2hr'ing because you need to in an emergency or something), you're most likely still going to want your acc. I actually have more acc in my HF build than my melee because haste gear isn't needed during 2hr.

[Balrock246]

Also fixed the Alla link, which still sort of failed.

Thanks for that. Would you mind PMing me with the proper format for links so I don't embarrass myself again trying to post links >.<

[Shin Volcano]

Is this recommend over togi then? because anything to get me away from that damn thing i'd give it a try...sick of looking at that damn thing since usu body is like...10 years away. would that -10 attack not matter at all? ( i seriously don't feel like reading thru that crap)

[Valyana]

+Crit is less attractive if you're using Destroyers, not more. I wouldn't consider +Crit augment if your main WS can't crit.

[Shin Volcano]

I don't know about other monks, but i tend to get better results out of HF and DK then asuran. and i think HF and DK can crit. i still don't think it's worth putting crit on it tho.

[Gergall]

If you're a super-pro awesome MNK that has everything, get Acc/Fast cast for epic ichi macros.

If you want a body piece just for epic utsusemi macros, wouldn't it be Evasion + Fast Cast?

[Valyana]

Nope, HF and DK can't crit either. Just Backhand Blow and Ascetic's Fury.