ACP Body Augments - Monk

[Cream Soda]

6% crit for only 66% of your damage while 1 DMG for 100% of it. Assume neither destro or HS+1 caps you :

outside focus : 9 acc => +4.5% ish for melee and ws (actually a bit more depeending on how far from cap), 1 DMG ~+1.5% for melee & ws.
during focus : 1 DMG ~1.5% for melee and ws.

so on "average" 6%*0.6+1.5*0.4=+4.2% total dmg

while destroyers would be 6% crit (so 1.10>1.16 which is 5.4% increase) for only 66% of the dmg so +3.6% total.

I don't even take into account the fact that you'd do more ws with HS+1 since it's pretty hard to estimate, and the fact that enmity+9 will actually benefit you counters a lot.

If I had hades hq, I'd probably use them, but the enmity/counters thing. If you have 2 mnks and one is countering more and you're actually caring about tanking (like a chariot), you're also going to be spending a considerable amount more time casting shadows.

[Starr]

Yeah as long as that -25% delay really effects total delay and not just weapon delay. DPS rating of that weapon would be 20.89, where Destroyers are 18.28. That's a 14% increase vs Destroyers, with the crit+ from destroyers would lower than number a little but it should still be around 10% more damage.

There was a test on alla mnk forums with TP gain and as long as TP is calculated correctly it would mean that the -% delay is total delay. Though I would like to see it confirmed by a couple other people.

yeah I'd like to see proof of that myself, that is pretty nice if true

[Fridell]

I use both Destroyers and Sainti, for Salvage I swap to Sainti for the higher floors / Boss. I use my Sainti alot.

[Ruuz]

For Hades Sainti +1 (I dont recommend NQ), you would certainly have to take out more Acc while under Focus. If you arent gaining full Acc from the knuckles, it will do less damage than destroyers.

Edit: Also, for the Manoples (sp?) I will wait till it is verified what the delay reduction on them is. If it is indeed -25% of total, its time to spam that ANNM.

[pchan]

Yeah as long as that -25% delay really effects total delay and not just weapon delay. DPS rating of that weapon would be 20.89, where Destroyers are 18.28. That's a 14% increase vs Destroyers, with the crit+ from destroyers would lower than number a little but it should still be around 10% more damage.

There was a test on alla mnk forums with TP gain and as long as TP is calculated correctly it would mean that the -% delay is total delay. Though I would like to see it confirmed by a couple other people.

Don't dream, this weapon is like shenlong with like .. 15% haste ?
The delay only applies to the 122, making it shit.

[evilpaul]

It shouldn't be hard at all to tell whether they're -25% for 122 or -25% total. Go punch something and see what TP it gives you.

[darkhorror]

Don't dream, this weapon is like shenlong with like .. 15% haste ?
The delay only applies to the 122, making it shit.

You have anything to back that claim up? Someone who tested there's with -19% delay and was getting less than 5 tp per hit.

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[Mazmaz]

I also would like to see Hades Sainti NQ Vs Destroyers.

Fine.

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[Gtype954]

If you want a body piece just for epic utsusemi macros, wouldn't it be Evasion + Fast Cast?

thats the beauty of FF11 and of the augments system.

10 eva and fast cast is good for Ichi macro, but so is the acc because of counter also being based on your acc. I tend to counter a hell of lot more times when I have focus and counterstance on as opposed to just counterstance.

Also, for the OP. The augment depends on what gear you have,
If you have Shura Togi already. (and its r/ex, so you won't be reselling it anytime soon) I would not get the Attack or acc augments. If you have usukane haramaki or scorpion harness NQ or HQ, I would not get evasion augment.
Obviously you won't get any magic acc, MAB, Pet augments, or dual wield on a mnk body.
That just narrows down Crit hit rate, Double attack, and fast cast.
Some monks do not have Shura togi yet but they for some reason, were able to get the whole Palawahn set which increases crit hits and also already has acc on its body peice.

I am not sure if that double attack on that body peice will cause weaponskills of MNKs to proc the double attack.
We do have a crit hit WS, its the new nyzul isle WS, and an old WS backhand blow which noone uses at 75. sometimes I feel like dragon kick crits or has a double attack because it does major damage sometimes at 300TP and other times at 300TP it doesn't do as much.

Being that Fast cast does not stack with Haste gear but they both lower your recast timers on Both your utsusemis. I picked fast cast on my body peice and I seen a couple other mnks on my server running around with the fast cast body.
The 2nd peice I chose... well I just chose double attack.
I did sell my osode, so this body has 5 STR 5 DEX, can crit (if you chose that augment), and can double attack. It can also be used to macro in for Utsusemi. I use it for a ghetto weaponskill peice because I do not have Osode. But I do have usukane body and it seems to do better on my "last 4" monk weaponskills. ( HF DK AF AFury).

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I would say monk got screwed on the ACP bodies, while RNG and PUP seem to be one of the few jobs that can fulltime their ACP body regardless of if they have every body peice of their job class in the game already.
I believe I have 20.0 sec ichi recast timer with fast cast body, Limbus earring, capped gear haste, march song, and White magic haste on.

[pchan]

Being that Fast cast does not stack with Haste gear but they both lower your recast timers on Both your utsusemis. I picked fast cast on my body peice and I seen a couple other mnks on my server running around with the fast cast body.

I did that and It didn't do anything on recast of Ni and Ichi. /toss. And that was w/o haste or march.

[Mr.T]

I did that and It didn't do anything on recast of Ni and Ichi. /toss. And that was w/o haste or march.

I tried casting Reprisal (3 min recast w/o any sort of haste or fast cast) on my pld with nuevo coselete on and the recast was lowered to 2:57 iirc (could be wrong but I can't log on right now to check), so that would be what? 2-3% recast time?

[Acturus]

I would say monk got screwed on the ACP bodies, while RNG and PUP seem to be one of the few jobs that can fulltime their ACP body regardless of if they have every body peice of their job class in the game already.

I wouldn't agree with that. Some jobs just get -more-use out of them than others because of available alternatives.

This item, with Acc+10 and Att+10, can out perform the Shura Togi, and it's "free". It's an excellent "tide you over until you sell a kidney for Usukane or sacrifice a virgin to beat PW for Hachiryu" piece for MNK.

But other jobs like COR, BST, SMN, and PUP get extreme use out of it just because they don't have as many options as the older, more established jobs.

Really, the players that truly get "less" value out of it are the players with multiple jobs at 75, since they have to choose which one gets the gear.

[Drace]

I tried casting Reprisal (3 min recast w/o any sort of haste or fast cast) on my pld with nuevo coselete on and the recast was lowered to 2:57 iirc (could be wrong but I can't log on right now to check), so that would be what? 2-3% recast time?

It's 2.5% on your recast time. Should technically lower base Ni recast by 1 second, and have no impact on Ichi recast.

[Ruuz]

Gtype, you cant crit or double attack on Asuran Fists, though you can crit many other MNK WS (most notably Ascetic's Fury), and Double Attack on all WS not Asuran. For most Monks, this is now the best body piece "easily" available. I am certainly not disappointed by it.

Also, RNG should not fulltime this body. You should still WS in Osode (as Snapshot is useless).

[Appie]

I believe I have 20.0 sec ichi recast timer with fast cast body, Limbus earring, capped gear haste, march song, and White magic haste on.

March 11%, Haste 15%, gear 25%, total of 51% and if I'm not mistaken recast time reduction won't go beyond 50% even if you add fast cast to it. If this isn't true I have to redo the bc (XD), because I actually decided to not do the fast cast body for utsu when I heard this. Since the only gain for most of the situations I'd use it would be going from 80% on the cast bar to like 73% with loq added too before utsu would be on me? I'm all for mini upgrades but that was a too fucking mini for my taste. Maybe if I didn't always have a march and haste on me I'd care more.

[pchan]

March 11%, Haste 15%, gear 25%, total of 51% and if I'm not mistaken recast time reduction won't go beyond 50% even if you add fast cast to it. If this isn't true I have to redo the bc (XD), because I actually decided to not do the fast cast body for utsu when I heard this. Since the only gain for most of the situations I'd use it would be going from 80% on the cast bar to like 73% with loq added too before utsu would be on me? I'm all for mini upgrades but that was a too fucking mini for my taste. Maybe if I didn't always have a march and haste on me I'd care more.

More problem arise if you're full usu mnk like me, since you have to keep 2004 gear in invo to make fastcast work, or you won't cap haste and get fast cast.

[Ruuz]

More problem arise if you're full usu mnk like me, since you have to keep 2004 gear in invo to make fastcast work, or you won't cap haste and get fast cast.

What do you do during Focus? On merit mobs you should be over acc cap, what acc gear do you swap out? I guess you can trade out an Acc ring for Rajas and Hollow for Merman, but I'd be curious what full Usu monks do.

Also, what Body piece and augments did you go for Appie? You two-timing Monk?

[Vyrr]

Only thing I have seen MNKs on Asura slap on their Waldecors is the Atk/Acc+10

Gogo false Hauby

[Cream Soda]

What do you do during Focus? On merit mobs you should be over acc cap, what acc gear do you swap out? I guess you can trade out an Acc ring for Rajas and Hollow for Merman, but I'd be curious what full Usu monks do.

Also, what Body piece and augments did you go for Appie? You two-timing Monk?

Even w/ capped acc, full usu should beat out 25% haste mix/match

Full usu
str 16, attack 17 25% haste

Mix/Match
(Turban, Togi+1, Bkote, Kitty Pants, Fuma/usu shoes)
44 attack 25% haste or 51 attack 24% haste

Assuming your acc is capped in both builds and factoring out like terms we get

16 str vs 27 attack
and
16 str, 1% haste vs 34 attack

Provided Fstr is not capped, full usu should win in both scenarios.

[Ruuz]

Thanks Vegetto. Also, it seems to me that with full usukane, you will probably cap STR on merit mobs, so Charger may actually be worthwhile for full Usu MNK. Perhaps even assailant's ring once you cap Acc and STR.