FINAL FANTASY XI Update (Apr. 22)

[Thorny]

Thanks for posting the SS, as usual people miss the story which is the GM saying "oh certainly you saw our update today", since removing Augmented status from a Senji obviously affects gameplay AI.

The point is there was likely more to the patch than we were told about (whether it it about Sephknight's complaint or not)

The GM said changes might effect your gameplay, didn't say anything specific, and everyone knows GMs are idiots. Unless someone else can find a problem with goblin pets that doesn't stem from idiots being unable to pull, that screenshot doesn't mean shit. Also, he has seph in his name ->

[Sephknight]

im proud of it ,
idiot.

[ringthree]

1. What the GM said was ambiguous and didn't say anything at all to support your point (whatever it may be because that is still unclear).

2. You are the only reported case of this problem.

3. You haven't really posted anything to prove any change has happened. You haven't even said what has changed, how it has changed, or what it was even changed from.

Usually when reporting an error the burden is on those trying to show the error. I don't think anyone is going to deny that changes can have bad effects, and people will support you if you prove it, but right now you are being Chicken Little.

Sometimes people don't even notice things that have been in the game for a very long time just because the circumstances weren't right for it to happen or whatever the case may be.

[altwight]

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[Dimmauk]

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Does anyone know if there is a way I can Email SE support team with my Comments and Suggestions? Too bad SE doesnt have some kind of Open mail form

[Silenka]

My god the retardery in this thread....

Changing the AI of mobs that aren't giving players a clear advantage to do something is not a thing SE would even be arsed to do. It would require more effort than they're willing to even put into their fucking announced updates.

[Sephknight]

1. What the GM said was ambiguous and didn't say anything at all to support your point (whatever it may be because that is still unclear).

2. You are the only reported case of this problem.

3. You haven't really posted anything to prove any change has happened. You haven't even said what has changed, how it has changed, or what it was even changed from.

Usually when reporting an error the burden is on those trying to show the error. I don't think anyone is going to deny that changes can have bad effects, and people will support you if you prove it, but right now you are being Chicken Little.

Sometimes people don't even notice things that have been in the game for a very long time just because the circumstances weren't right for it to happen or whatever the case may be.

I am not reporting a error or anythin, i was asked by a friend who do not own an account on here or to post the pics , and acording to him mobs where touched and changed, i have nothin to prove , lol . i dont really care-.-.
This is what he said on msn just now,


been PTing there for 2 weeks PT was fine no Problems. then today all was diffrent, leaches would D-pop after claim. never did that in 2 weeks b4 today also yes Parasits do link, but what i would do if i got a link is run round house with gobs untill they depop, with Parasits u couldent do that, i had to OP too lose hate. but Since today the Parasites can be Depoped now, the Agro range on the Traders seems to be bigger also,so i knew summat was diffrent so i called GM ,if u read the SS, he says that yes i have noticed the Changes made

So yea thats all, and im done on this thread,

[Thorny]

I am not reporting a error or anythin, i was asked by a friend who do not own an account on here or to post the pics , and acording to him mobs where touched and changed, i have nothin to prove , lol . i dont really care-.-.
This is what he said on msn just now,


been PTing there for 2 weeks PT was fine no Problems. then today all was diffrent, leaches would D-pop after claim. never did that in 2 weeks b4 today also yes Parasits do link, but what i would do if i got a link is run round house with gobs untill they depop, with Parasits u couldent do that, i had to OP too lose hate. but Since today the Parasites can be Depoped now, the Agro range on the Traders seems to be bigger also,so i knew summat was diffrent so i called GM ,if u read the SS, he says that yes i have noticed the Changes made

So yea thats all, and im done on this thread,

1) Your grammar gave me cancer, thanks.
2) Leeches track by scent, if they path through water they'll deaggro. You cannot deaggro them by simply outrunning them in water-free territory unless it is raining out. This applies to both the goblin pets and the parasites.
3) When in doubt, refer to 1 and 2.

[Sephknight]

1) Your grammar gave me cancer, thanks.

So does cellphones,
Still use them,
Idiots like you is what makes forums fun.

[Kaylia]

If grammar give cancer, I wonder how many deaths I caused.

[Suiram]

it's an elemental alignment issue as the known issue post says iirc. kaeko did some testing w/ the help of friends and found bats and all other dark aligned mobs (that were tested) regardless of level to sleep for half duration.

This seems right, now that you say it. When I got home from work I verified by trying Sleep 2 on lv1 Ding Bats, and even with ES it only lasted 45 seconds.

[fren.]

They changed behavior of AI of leeches and pets AI <link, agro range etc etc >
making it really dificult to party there, before was a good camp.
Acording to my friend as i was not in that party as u can see,this was done becouse they where parting there with rly rly good exp aparently.
Heard about somethin similar before on jungle , cant remember exactly.

You all type the same, I call bullshit.

[Kipling]

You were kicked because your fatness caused pixel overload and crashed the server


...fatty

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[Spekkio]

This seems right, now that you say it. When I got home from work I verified by trying Sleep 2 on lv1 Ding Bats, and even with ES it only lasted 45 seconds.

you're actually repeating the same test that caused me to conclude the elemental alignment was causing a guaranteed 50% duration penalty. unless we do broader tests such as slow on worms or poison on crabs, i'm not sure if we can conclude this for fact (though i think kae did test poison on leeches and found the same effect so it does suggest a correlation.)

[Kaeko]

At this point, I think the elemental correlation is probably the primary factor that changed. Prior to patch, these elemental strengths could lead to 50% damage cuts (my 'test' with leeches) - post patch, it would also apply to enfeebles, which is new. So basically it extended the properties of elemental magic to enfeebles with elemental correlations.

I think this is why sleep and sleep II are the most affected, because there aren't many dark based nukes so people don't know which mobs have dark +50% (a lot apparently). Like 1/4th of the mob families in this game at least partially resist dark types.

I don't know how or if job traits affect this. This would be hard to prove on mobs though because it's hard to tell which mobs have resist traits unless you went by beastmen with jobs. I don't think I saw anyone test traits on the player though (e.g. PLD resist sleep trait).

Either way, SE says it's a known issue and supposedly will fix it sometime in the future. I'm a bit skeptical that they will return everything to the exact way it was before though.

[TaruMortis]

Either way, SE says it's a known issue and supposedly will fix it sometime in the future. I'm a bit skeptical that they will return everything to the exact way it was before though.

That's what I've been thinking as well, however, it seems a large portion of the end game community would be happy with the way HNMs are now (cerb, Khim, Tia, etc.) So, I guess if they at least fix sleep on mobs people will be satisfied with at least that.

[Spekkio]

while i may agree that if you can't beat tiamat w/o sleeping it, the patch just hastens the inevitable, i think that making slow/elegy on proto-omega less effective is just an unnecessary pain in the ass. it's not a competed mob, so why make it harder to require less people for it? just makes it more fun to do imo. competed HNM getting a resistance to sleeping, sure, since staring at a napping nidhogg sucks, but not instanced stuff. ; ;