Sam/Dnc gear suggestions

[Tagus]

I'm currently leveling up Dancer to use exclusively as a subjob for solo Sam work. What kind of adjustments would need to be made in a typical TP gain/WS 6 hit (with rajas) setup to maximize the potential of this job combo? I'm thinking more in terms of high-end solo stuff like Limbus, BCNM's, maybe even Sky trigger NM's or even lesser Gods. It seems like the potential is there for this to be a crazy powerful combo, but a lot of the guides and info I've read seems to be geared towards basic info and don't fully explain the strengths and limits of Sam/Dnc.

[benny]

There's not really much to explain. I use two main gear sets on SAM/DNC; my normal TP set that is the same I would use anywhere else (6 hit of course), and an evasion set that I use on harder mobs or when I link mobs (SAM evasion is better than you think! Don't knock it). But then again I wouldn't even think of trying to solo sky triggers on SAM/DNC^^;; Anything that's more than a couple levels over 75 is going to go a lot smoother on NIN or BLM or RDM, probably...

[Asgon]

sam/dnc is just an excuse to pull out soboro again xD Dont get me wrong now, Soboro is fun as hell, but leave sam/dnc on the capaign battle!

[seiji]

soboro,yoichinoyumi full usu ninurtas?

[Blademage]

normal tp set and str for ws, soboro, and a vit/chr set for cures (scince they nerfed it on /dnc)

also check out Uesugi90 on youtube with his sam solo vids.

[Tagus]

normal tp set and str for ws, soboro, and a vit/chr set for cures (scince they nerfed it on /dnc)

also check out Uesugi90 on youtube with his sam solo vids.

Those videos are partly why I decided to level it..... does Soboro > Hagun on /dnc?

[Blademage]

if you dont 2hr at the start then yes

[seiji]

-hagun meditate twice before engage drain samba seka rana(or yuki if you didnt unlock) gekko swap to soboro

when seka+meditate near up wipe your TP (waltze step,ws....) swap hagun meditate for hagun SC swap back


some question?
love hallebard sam/dnc?

delay- grip? (as DA sucks with soboro)

[Blademage]

standard 450 delay would be fine for tp gain, but often times wont matter as /dnc hmm, love halberd gets 5 hit? if so maybe DA grip w/ it (scince DA can proc w/ sea weaps)

[Zekyr]

when I /dnc I use full haste over a sTP 6-hit build partly due to the fact that soboro will overshoot 100% anyways and also the fact that you use TP on steps/samba/waltzes so it fucks up a perfect X-hit build anyways.

I also macro in more MND/VIT or whatever for my waltzes for lolpotency, but that's just nitpicking.

[cyrax]

how much more cure you get when you use your mnd/vit set ? vs the dmg you take while doing it ?

[Tagus]

when I /dnc I use full haste over a sTP 6-hit build partly due to the fact that soboro will overshoot 100% anyways and also the fact that you use TP on steps/samba/waltzes so it fucks up a perfect X-hit build anyways.

I also macro in more MND/VIT or whatever for my waltzes for lolpotency, but that's just nitpicking.

Nice! I didn't consider that an efficient 6 hit on any other sub is gonna get wrecked using tp for waltzes and such. I was also just going to ask if you can tell a difference with your MND/VIT set, but I think somebody just did.

[trencher]

sam/dnc is just an excuse to pull out soboro again xD Dont get me wrong now, Soboro is fun as hell, but leave sam/dnc on the capaign battle!

Actually when we do Nyzul we normally run with;

SAM/WAR
SAM/DNC
WAR/NIN
THF/Like it matters, its a THF...
BRD/WHM
RDM/DRK

We've done this for a few months now and the SAM/DNC really helps out and lets our RDM not have to be the only curebot.

[Zekyr]

I'm about to head out to class, so can't get exact numbers right now, ripping formula off wiki says:

For /DNC (Curing Waltz II)
Amount Healed = floor(((Target's VIT + Caster's CHR)*0.250 + 130),1)

So when soloing, your VIT/CHR are modifiers, can't remember why I tossed in MND, must have accidentally thought along cure formulas. Whether placebo or not I've seen a small increase win gear with some more MND on it, so I'll have to actually do better tests before I remove it out of my macros. It's not a huge bonus, but assuming the formula above is right, it would be that every 4 VIT or CHR is another hp.

So pretty minuscule, but with stupid stuff that doesn't hurt carrying around (even on SAM/DNC I'm carrying less than 50 slots) like genbu's kabuto, kirin's osode, bibiki, etc, it's a few more here and there and doesn't hurt. When I duo with my mnk/dnc friend his waltzes usually only come out like 12 less at the most. Not using the inventory otherwise though, so it doesn't hurt.

[seiji]

how much more cure you get when you use your mnd/vit set ? vs the dmg you take while doing it ?

-waltze are instant so you wear your VIT/CHR for 1sec and with good timing you just wont be hit
-sam dont TP in high def or dmg reduction and you may have higher def in vit set
-the only case where dmg taken > extra HP healed is if you swap eva gear fot vit/chr and take a hit you would have evaded (that wont just happen )

standard 450 delay would be fine for tp gain, but often times wont matter as /dnc hmm, love halberd gets 5 hit? if so maybe DA grip w/ it (scince DA can proc w/ sea weaps)

LH have a low delay (396) cant get a 5Hit nor a good 6hit(need 63stp) but win in dps

[Wolfknight]

Personally on my sam/dnc set-up I like to use more store tp than normal so for when have to be able to spam waltz only takes two hits[w/no enemy hitting u] for waltz II I use Rajas/brutal/askar body/Usukane feet and gets 35 tp in two hits making very easy to spam waltz[w/soboro].

[Blademage]

LH have a low delay (396) cant get a 5Hit nor a good 6hit(need 63stp) but win in dps

yah im use to the other polearm sam uses entestugo(sp?) tomoe does nicley also i used the previous polearm presoboro worked fine esp w/ 25 tp return penta thrust, sekkanoki just made it more fun, meditate would be brutal