UAE Royal Family Member's Torture Video

[Elvis]

I am talking about morality and justice rather than legality and policy.

Of course 'legal' blah blah is better than illegal blah blah within a narrow context.

We could legally colonize another person's country. We could legally colonize Iraq. It wouldn't make it just though - just legal.

[Khamsin]

Well, technically, in the broadest sense, we can do whatever we want, legal or illegal, until we get our asses kicked for it.

So as long as we stay on this side of the asskicking, we're fine.

[Pringles]

I agree with Elvis, it comes down to moral and unmoral with torture. Just cause we say it's legal doesn't make it right.

[Elvis]

Exactly. I mean, countries do not get ahead on their virtue.

International credibility is defined by how hard you can bash the other guy upside the head.

I don't agree with it but that's how it is.

[Kuya]

The AUE People should look forward, not in the past, plus these people were following orders. Investigations into this alleged torture (lol) would only amount to partisan and shrill tactics that would compromise the Sheik's political capital. Besides, nothing is going to happen.

[Beckwin]

The Saudi People should look forward, not in the past, plus these people were following orders. Investigations into this alleged torture (lol) would only amount to partisan and shrill tactics that would compromise the Sheik's political capital. Besides, nothing is going to happen.

I agree. I'm also glad to see that Saudis not only want to just ask terrorists nicely for information, but also want to prosecute those who procured vital security information that protected the country.

Seems like a lot of people are rooting against Saudi Arabia.

[Correction]

Wait when did this turn into a discussion about Saudi Arabia?

[Kuya]

Ooops, i had saudi in the brain.

[Sirion]

the amount of money they have determines this will be laughed at, and never heard of again

[Mojo]

I'm not condoning Guantanamo Bay, but it could be wise to consider the purpose behind the torture. Despite the downfalls and hypocrisies of the US government, I don't thing such means would ever be taken against someone over $5000 of rice.

[Faris]

holy shit...so it is true, i was looking for this video for months now!

this man is mentally ill, im sure...don't generalize, UAE is very peacefully, you dont see shit like that in the UAE.

what the hell are you guys on about, terrorists, interrogations, authorities..its one man's crime. take it from me.

but now, the fucked up part is...yes, like someone mentioned; since he's from the royal family, they will probably give the victim (family) monetary compensation, the crazy shiekh will be sent out of the country for treatment...and things will wrap up...

and my God...they must be fucking pissed about this getting out..for the sake of reputation and tourism for the western world, things are very discreet in the UAE.

[Pringles]

The biggest concern though is when they said there was an investigation, nothing was found wrong. On Newsline, they had said that the head of police was also related to the Shiekh so odds are there wouldn't be any real investigation.

I personally am not trying to pin it on the UAE as a whole, it is one man's crime but since he is royalty, it does get blown out of proportion. It's just sicking that someone in his position is twisted enough mentally to make this tape for his own viewing pleasure. That's beyond torture when you make it for pleasure. If you are insane enough to go and torture someone over something like 5000 in grain that supposedly was missing, don't make a tape about it for viewing pleasure. It's a completely different game when a video is released.

In another section of the tape I saw online not in the news version, it shows the man shoving sand by the handfuls into his mouth and making him swallow it gulps at a time. As a person in a high position in their country, with this kind of evidence against you there should be no reason he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions. Unfortunately from what I understand, this event occurred in 2005, and also it's not the first reported act of torture by the man

Indeed, as Sheikh Issa's moods grew darker, he began a habit and custom of torturing his employees or anyone else with whom he disapproved. Over the years, and particularly after the death of this father (the long-serving and well-respected President of the U.A.E.) in 2004, these torture sessions grew more brutal, vicious, and bloody. As his degeneracy increased, Sheikh Issa began to have such torture sessions videotaped, so he could enjoy viewing them later. Mr. Nabulsi disapproved vehemently with Sheikh Issa's behavior, and never took part in such conduct.

One of Sheikh Issa's many torture victims was Mohammed Shah Poor, an Afghan who did business with the Sheikh. After Poor fell into Sheikh Issa's disfavor, the Sheikh personally tortured Poor for more than forty-five minutes. Sheikh Issa was assisted by several members of the Abu Dhabi police. The torture involved shooting an M-16 into the ground in front of where Poor was kneeling, stuffing sand into his mouth, sticking nails repeatedly into his buttocks, whipping him with a board containing nails, repeatedly kicking his head, whipping his buttocks until they bled, pouring salt onto his wounds, pouring lighter fluid onto his scrotum and lighting it on fire, sticking a cattle prod up his anus, and running over him with Sheikh Issa's Mercedes SUV. As has now become his custom, at Sheikh Issa's direction, the torture session was videotaped.

Source is UAE Torture but odds are it's not completely credible.

Now that information is slightly bias from the site, but if it's true and he's made more tapes of torture, than it's more than just a one time thing and the Shiekh should be held accountable. His actions don't represent the beliefs of the UAE, but the image problem comes from him getting away with it. That hurts the image of the UAE more than him actually doing it. Which is worse, the kid who tortures the pet cat in the backyard, or the parents who sit there and let him do it?

[HadesChubbs]

STUFF N THINGS

It was Kuro, wasn't it.

[Faris]

Kuro is a wuss

[Kaza]

Power abuse at it's worse

[Crouchingllama]

I don't know how crazy this Sheikh is, this sounds like what mafia/organized crime bosses (or military/intelligence torture in certain countries/wars...) do to their enemies all over the world. The Sheikh might be mentally unstable and royal, but damn, get some under the table action and remove him from power UAE.

Oh wait, that's right, humanity likes dictators that abuse torture and kill their own populations, seen it WAAAAAAAAAAY too many times. The damn list is too long. >.<

Yeah, I know, it's easy to say, why don't you just overthrow Sadaam Hussein and his sons or this crazy Sheikh, or Pol Pot or fill-in-the-blank or or, but it's never just that easy, I know.

[Dimmauk]

FFXI pretty much killed any semblance of respect I had for anyone from the UAE, at least on the internet. This doesn't help heal my opinion at all.

Who could you be talking about? LOL

[Klaatu]

Drug trafficer or not. No human being should endure such intentional violence.

[guartz]

I think torture sends the right message to people. I say it stays legal.

[Correction]

what the hell are you guys on about, terrorists, interrogations, authorities..its one man's crime. take it from me.

So if cops over there find out you've seen the video and accuse you of distributing it, you'll be fine because after all it was only one man's crime? The cops are cool like that?