sam; str vs dex on ws

[Sephknight]

I often seem to have this discussion and both sides always seem to have a point,
I am by no means sam main, but always seem to have disagrement when it comes to this 2 items in particular.
Main question is if is really worth loosing the acurr/dex/crit on ws versus the str gain, for a not sam main<no GK merits, already spent on somethin else>, when fighting somethin above merit mob level of evasion.


Legs;
Shura Haidate RareExclusive
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 30 HP -35 STR +5 Accuracy +7
Lv. 73 MNK / SAM / NIN
vs
Byakko's haidate RareExclusive
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 42 DEX +15 Resist Vs. Lightning +50 Haste +5%
Lv. 75 WAR / MNK / BST / BRD / RNG / SAM / NIN

Hand;

[Hands] All Races
DEF: 16 HP +40 STR +11 DEX -6 AGI -6
Lv. 70 WAR / MNK / RDM / THF / PLD / DRK /
BST / BRD / SAM / NIN / DRG / BLU / COR / DNC

Myochin Kote +1 RareExclusive
(Hands) All Races
DEF: 21 HP +15 STR +7 DEX +7
Enmity +2
Enhances effects of rice balls
Lv. 74 SAM

[Raen Ryong]

You cannot crit sam WSs outside of Sneak Attack

and the big 3 have an inherent accuracy bonus which means you shouldn't need much in the way of subsequent accuracy.

STR.

EDIT: For Tachi: Rana in case you were referencing that, DEX and accuracy would be a lot more valuable compared to STR than it is on Y/G/K. I would take Shura Haidate and Myochin Kote +1 for that WS respectively, dependent on your other slots of course.

[stewie]

STR. DEX does nothing but add ACC, which should be capped anyways. AF+1 hands for Polearm, but I assume you're talking about Y/G/K

[Sephknight]

sorry edited,
Can this aply to mobs higer than the normal merit mob lv ?

[Raen Ryong]

Yeah, it's been shown that Y/G/K have an inherently large accuracy bonus even on things like Kirin and such. It'll be hard not to be at 95% with those weaponskills unless you're debuffed (Flash / Blind - like Fafnir/Nidhogg).

[Sephknight]

awsome that answers my question,
thank you.

[Stumps]

To add a question to this, are the big three so acc enhanced that it's more or less useless to put anything but str and att on for the ws (in that order)? Also, is sam the only job that can use alky's bracelets with impunity for WS due to this, or is the STR on the bracelets enough to overcome the -acc from the -DEX for 2 handers?

[Raen Ryong]

Most singlehit WS can comfortably use Alky's and yeah, the acc boost is so hefty that it doesn't make much sense putting accuracy on Y/G/K at a cost to STR/atk.

For multihits, you shouldn't because 11str for -6dex (-4.5acc) isn't a good tradeoff compared to other Hand pieces (Hecatomb Mittens, Chaos Gauntlets +1 etc depending on job).

Multihits thrive on acc/atk and using the most efficient offensive/accuracy tradeoffs.

[rog]

acc bonus applies to first hit of all ws, not just ygk, or single hit ws.

[trencher]

I often seem to have this discussion and both sides always seem to have a point

There is no point, there is only math.

There are people who accept math and there are people who believe in eyeballing things.

You have 95% WS acc on the first hit of a WS, stack STR......

I assume the same people who dont believe in Math believe in this;
http://fliiby.com/images/_thumbs/me_oiz1295mzx1.jpg

[Ruuz]

acc bonus applies to first hit of all ws, not just ygk, or single hit ws.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Y/G/K Cant even crit last I checked. There is a reason everyone stacks STR on these WS.

[AneyuS]

Maat's cap at it's finest, this is all old news.

[Valyana]

I haven't seen the data to show the acc bonus on anything other than gekko; do you have a link for testing on multi-hit WS or single-hit relic/mythic WS?

[Stumps]

I don't have a link for it but almost all the math involving weaponskills usually involves the +60 acc trait on the first hit of a WS, check the monk forums on alla for plenty of examples.

[Kurai]

Every parse I've run has Y/G/K sitting at 95% or so accuracy, I just simply pile on the STR.

[Sephknight]

Maat's cap at it's finest, this is all old news.

Unlike others i do not know all about the game, or i would have quited a long time ago.
Get your head of your ass.Can´t ask a question becouse i have maat´s cap?
Jelousy.<Do you have it>?

PS; nice body gear on the sig.

[Wolfknight]

I haven't seen the data to show the acc bonus on anything other than gekko; do you have a link for testing on multi-hit WS or single-hit relic/mythic WS?

was testing done w/some dagger ws by haka I belief show w/65% acc on melee he still capped ws acc on crabs at tree.

[Shinryuu]

Unlike others i do not know all about the game, or i would have quited a long time ago.
Get your head of your ass.Can´t ask a question becouse i have maat´s cap?
Jelousy.<Do you have it>?

PS; nice body gear on the sig.

b7

Byakko's Haidate for Penta, by the way. Not Shura.

[Ultimagi]

Weapon skills that have "Accuracy varies with TP" do not have capped accuracy on the first hit like all of the others, obviously.

[Jakson]

Didn't that one thread with the all the testing about YGK show not only an acc boost but also an attack boost? I thought there was something about the WSs also pushing attack over 999, so there would be much more benefit from straight STR stacking, which I think generated the general consensus that Osode > Haub for YGK on like 99% of mobs (and/or when debuffed).