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[pchan]

turtle has always put out :D

[Arthars]

Like 0/10 on turtle since patch. Random is still, well, random.

10 is still acceptable XD

[Mayareira]

It should drop 3 bodies instead of 1.

...oh wait. Maybe it shouldn't.

[FailureMidgard]

10 is still acceptable XD

Sure, it's still like only 1/6th of total kills, I'm doubtful on it dropping soon though. Thats 0/10, not 1/10 ;p

[Kirschy]

I've only seen one drop in SSR post patch -_- It's still boils down to luck. But it does seem better than it was before based on what I hear from others.

[Burnsy]

usukane no longer need 10 years to obtain

prolly 1 month max of grinding

it has became the easiest salvage set to complete after the update

Bolded the major problem with your statement when speaking to someone with a job, life, and other shit to do outside of play ffsalvage.

tl;dr version: mirke is a easier body piece to acquire, and costs nothing, MNKs need something other than footwork, and 2h update is gay for people that enjoy hitting things faster instead of harder.

Not everyone has the time/group/assault rank/points to grind out salvage daily, and you know damn well you don't do the same path in the same zone everytime for 1 persons equip, or people don't stick around.

Barring the hands/feet, I don't feel the other pieces are as desireable as other options FOR MNK. Even the feet piss me off because you have to give away that last 1% haste in the "perfect" haste build for MNK. That alone made me balk at the set initially, and only through Aurik and other BGMath gods pounding numbers into my head and berating me extensively has made me accept that the set is "better" than my current gear.

Max has a very good point, in that since the 2h update MNK has been at a signifigant mathmatical disadvantage to any 2h job, especially in non-merit activities, and if SE really wants a "balance" in their games, either Footwork needs to be buffed to the point where it's useful outside of DI/a WS buff, or MNK needs a JA/stat calculation adjustment that can put them back up into the ranks of SAM or WAR.

But then again I guess since MNKs had KRT, we're paying for it now, I still blame gimp DRGs who couldn't get pts in 2006 spamming the devs in emails for the 2h buff.

[Hyan]

Max has a very good point, in that since the 2h update MNK has been at a signifigant mathmatical disadvantage to any 2h job, especially in non-merit activities, and if SE really wants a "balance" in their games, either Footwork needs to be buffed to the point where it's useful outside of DI/a WS buff, or MNK needs a JA/stat calculation adjustment that can put them back up into the ranks of SAM or WAR.

You're really saying that you can't compete with SAM's and WAR's as MNK? That's rather sad.

[Greatguardian]

It's notsomuch MNK that can't compete with Sam and War in HNM/Endgame situations, it's H2H. Staff Mnk/Thf with Mekki Shakki puts out some nice numbers on things normally deemed Mnk-Taboo.

[BerenTebogo]

One of the dumbest threads I've read in a long time actually. To be fair though, I did skim like 80% of it because of the blatant stupidity.

I don't know if I'm late to the party or not but those of you who are saying SAM isn't DD easy mode, well, dear fuck you must suck like Taiwanese hooker. The gimp as shit account I inherited has SAM and the one time I merited it (in my first week on the server before I started rebuying DD gear for my other account) I took it out as SAM/WAR with polearm to colibri.

I lost the parse by 3% to Ramzus (lolramzus) and won easily over an Ebody Gaxe WAR. I fulltimed Askar head, body, hands - Byakko's Haidate - and AF2 feet. I had 0 macro swaps whatsoever.

SAM is cruise-control for lulzy damage. That isn't to say other well skilled players on WAR, and to a lesser extent DRK, won't run train all over the best GKT SAMs from time to time, but in terms of getting a job to 75 and then having it be full-fledged DD with little to no work? Yeah, that's SAM. It's called Hagun, fucktards, it ejaculates damage.

I'm sorry but if you, or a SAM you know, are having trouble not sucking then this might not be the right game for you. In fact, this might not be the right life for you. Try plugging in a hair dryer and taking it into the bath with you, it's just like hitting reset.

As far as gearing other jobs appropriately to not suck - it's all relative. Any 2h DDer if you sub SAM and hasso full time (to either compensate for sucky gear or to be a horrendous asshole to your mages, I am the latter) you will be able to put up good enough numbers to maintain 20k/hr on lolibris np.

I apologize vehemently if I've offended anyone in this long and terrible rant, and of course by apologize I mean, "if I've offended you it's because you fucking suck at your jobs. Throw your computer or PS2 out the window now."

SAM is the easiest fucking job in the game to be above average at. Every single job in this game takes work, dedication, and attention to detail to be FANTASTIC at.

In closing, I'll leave you with this: Turban > Aces if you have the gear to support it. If you don't have the gear to support it, why do you have an Aces?

Edit: Small edit to the cockmongler in here defending NIN to the death, tooth and nail, in probably the most assbackwards fashion I've ever seen. Ask yourself: if Lyra, Dil, or myself are not in here ranting and raving about NIN, do you really think YOU should be? The infinitesimally minute amount of NINs out there who have the gear to support going toe to toe with a full blown SAM or Gaxe WAR are not even worth bringing into this thread. There's probably less than 10, total, across all servers.

Know your place and pick your arguments, and then go level SAM.

[Kohan]

SAM is the easiest fucking job in the game to be above average at. Every single job in this game takes work, dedication, and attention to detail to be FANTASTIC at.

Incidentally, this is part of the reason why I'd written out such a lengthy post on how to get the most out of MNK (which was not just a recounting of personal experiences, as it had been shrugged off as); it is evidence of what should be common knowledge -- that any job can do many things, if the player of said job pushes it to that point.

[Burnsy]

You're really saying that you can't compete with SAM's and WAR's as MNK? That's rather sad.

No, learn to read. I said:
"since the 2h update MNK has been at a signifigant mathmatical disadvantage to any 2h job, especially in non-merit activities"

Something that Max said as well, sorry my lack of spell checking at 6:30am may have caused confusion. Math/Developer endowed advantage to utilizing a 2h in anything outside a merit pt != "me" being able to "compete", if you don't like my opinion, you can counter with your own, like you did 10 posts ago, or go piss off with your veiled insults :D

Sath said everything that needed to be said about SAM, and I applaud his candid remarks!

[Raen Ryong]

In closing, I'll leave you with this: Turban > Aces if you have the gear to support it. If you don't have the gear to support it, why do you have an Aces?

It's very, very difficult for Turban to beat Ace's Helm in a realistic scenario. So much so in fact, that it'll be more about the buffs you're getting (if you're getting haste/accuracy out of the ass) than the gear you wear~

I agree with the SAM comments though, it seriously is easy mode <_<

[Francisco]

My MNK (Destroyers, Full Usukane, Black Belt, Amemet +1, Faith Torque, Brutal, Ethereal, Toreador's, Ulth Ring) - loses parse to a WAR/SAM in my LS.

The WAR/SAM uses Ares Body, Rune Chopper, Byakko's Haidate, Swift Belt, Aurum Sabatons - I think Rajas and Ulth Ring - Brutal, Ethereal - not sure on the rest...

In a 3 DD party, the WAR is usually around 35%, I'll be around 33% or so... Some other WAR/SAMs can beat me sometimes (win some, lose some) - others can't beat me at all... The WAR/SAM that always beats me just got V.Belt too, so now I'm really boned.

I've lose parse in merits to a SAM once - pre-Usukane - and that was right after the 2H-buff (before it was nerfed)... He was being a dick and using Gekko on mobs at 2% HP...

[Starr]

MNK/WAR or NIN?

[Kohan]

My MNK (Destroyers, Full Usukane, Black Belt, Amemet +1, Faith Torque, Brutal, Ethereal, Toreador's, Ulth Ring) - loses parse to a WAR/SAM in my LS.

I do believe that the following changes could definitely help you, here:

Amemet +1 -> Cuchulain's Mantle
Ethereal -> Hollow
Ulthalam's Ring -> Toreador's/Sniper's +1
Faith Torque -> Peacock Charm

Of course, I'm assuming that whatever conditions you're PTing in/food you're consuming doesn't already have you at capped ACC.

[Francisco]

/WAR - almost always

Cuchulain's is something I'm working on - I'm pretty broke from Usukane Haramaki. I've been spamming Azure Keys hoping for a nice Beak Mantle at least.

I've been strongly considering redoing AN for a Hollow Earring - or again, spamming Augmented items.

Rings, I agree, but I'd settle for a Divisor.

Not so sure I'd want to use PCC over Faith - but I do need a PCC for my 50 COR (which has been using that lame Feather Collar +1 since)... Is COR useful for UO? I've got 500 seals to burn.

Food: For stuff like Salvage and Einherjar, I just use Coeurl Subs.... for a merit party when I'm trying to win a parse, I use Hedgehog Pie... I'm wondering if Pizza+1 is worth it, I haven't had a chance to test it yet...

[Kohan]

If you have capped H2H merits, I'm rather sure PCC will be superior for you (and coincidentally, this has already been mentioned within the thread).

Out of curiosity, are you using Soil Gorget for WS?

Also, I would try going with Pizza over Pie, for sure.

[Fridell]

Also, what Sath said, I like, for most part.

This is another, I like to balance my PTs, and events like Limbus, Dynamis, Nyzul, etc, with both 1H (MNK for example) and 2H. Those times I've had trouble keeping up as MNK VS 2handers is cuz mobs die too fast and DOT damage becomes obsolete (that's the right word..?), while Meditate and fast TP gain and big ass WSs shines. No surprise if stuff dies fast as fuck that DOT eats dirt. Also the mathematically "best" doesn't have to mean shit tbh, just that it is easier to gain damage.

To Kohan, I forgot to mention this before, but I really liked your sum up on why you like MNK!

Edit: I see a lot of "I defend my own job!" in this thread, I like people who have lots of jobs and can speak from that perspective.

[Francisco]

If you have capped H2H merits, I'm rather sure PCC will be superior for you (and coincidentally, this has already been mentioned within the thread).

Out of curiosity, are you using Soil Gorget for WS?

Also, I would try going with Pizza over Pie, for sure.

I usually use Soil Gorget, yes - although I'm not completely convinced it does anything.

[Tagus]

One of the dumbest threads I've read in a long time actually. To be fair though, I did skim like 80% of it because of the blatant stupidity.

I don't know if I'm late to the party or not but those of you who are saying SAM isn't DD easy mode, well, dear fuck you must suck like Taiwanese hooker. The gimp as shit account I inherited has SAM and the one time I merited it (in my first week on the server before I started rebuying DD gear for my other account) I took it out as SAM/WAR with polearm to colibri.

I lost the parse by 3% to Ramzus (lolramzus) and won easily over an Ebody Gaxe WAR. I fulltimed Askar head, body, hands - Byakko's Haidate - and AF2 feet. I had 0 macro swaps whatsoever.

SAM is cruise-control for lulzy damage. That isn't to say other well skilled players on WAR, and to a lesser extent DRK, won't run train all over the best GKT SAMs from time to time, but in terms of getting a job to 75 and then having it be full-fledged DD with little to no work? Yeah, that's SAM. It's called Hagun, fucktards, it ejaculates damage.

I'm sorry but if you, or a SAM you know, are having trouble not sucking then this might not be the right game for you. In fact, this might not be the right life for you. Try plugging in a hair dryer and taking it into the bath with you, it's just like hitting reset.

As far as gearing other jobs appropriately to not suck - it's all relative. Any 2h DDer if you sub SAM and hasso full time (to either compensate for sucky gear or to be a horrendous asshole to your mages, I am the latter) you will be able to put up good enough numbers to maintain 20k/hr on lolibris np.

I apologize vehemently if I've offended anyone in this long and terrible rant, and of course by apologize I mean, "if I've offended you it's because you fucking suck at your jobs. Throw your computer or PS2 out the window now."

SAM is the easiest fucking job in the game to be above average at. Every single job in this game takes work, dedication, and attention to detail to be FANTASTIC at.

In closing, I'll leave you with this: Turban > Aces if you have the gear to support it. If you don't have the gear to support it, why do you have an Aces?

Edit: Small edit to the cockmongler in here defending NIN to the death, tooth and nail, in probably the most assbackwards fashion I've ever seen. Ask yourself: if Lyra, Dil, or myself are not in here ranting and raving about NIN, do you really think YOU should be? The infinitesimally minute amount of NINs out there who have the gear to support going toe to toe with a full blown SAM or Gaxe WAR are not even worth bringing into this thread. There's probably less than 10, total, across all servers.

Know your place and pick your arguments, and then go level SAM.

So..... wow. You had a 75 Sam handed to you that you didn't level, you partied in full time Askar without using WS macros, and your opinion of the job is that "in terms of getting a job to 75 and then having it be full-fledged DD with little to no work", Samurai fits? I hope that there's something I don't know about you in terms of your in-game accomplishments, because if there isn't.... you fit the description of a gimp who sucks at his job.