DD Potential Discussion from Media

[Demosthenes11]

lmfao

but really, in all those situations you listed therin, there are other jobs that I would rather have. your dot with bio and shit...fuck that come blm. DD? get on war or sam. tank? pld, rdm, etc. Drk can be a jack of all trades I guess, but how is that really helpful. This game has job change in it for a reason. DRK is never wanted outside of relic and zerg

[Raen Ryong]

People need to stop underestimating DRK~ everything I do on DRK I parse highly (though places were 1hit WSs take off, obviously SAM jumps ahead) and I don't see why DRK has such an issue.

People need to get out of the WAR OR SAM ONRY mentality.

[Demosthenes11]

People need to stop underestimating DRK~ everything I do on DRK I parse highly (though places were 1hit WSs take off, obviously SAM jumps ahead) and I don't see why DRK has such an issue.

People need to get out of the WAR OR SAM ONRY mentality.

oh shut the fuck up and parse it some time. I don't care that you can beat the AJ sam in your meripo. It doesn't matter how "good" of a player you are, a war/sam will outdamage a drk 95% of the time if they have similar gear.

I know it's the job you love but you can't deny numbers

[richardd]

Obviously there are other cases where SAM/NIN DOES tank much better than DRK (Salvage chariots come to mind; even though DRK CAN tank them, SAM/NIN certainly is much more effective), but a SAM can't tank something like Tiamat on the other hand.
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i tanked chariots on sam/war. the aoe's that wipe out shadows dont generally wipe our 3rd eye. and my healers and i found it easier over all.

and just to nitpick, ive also tanked tiamat, odin, JoL, and misc ZNM's like cerb/hydra/vamp/khim ones on sam/war. im not saying i disagree with what you're saying. but i would think ppl now a days would be more open minded. My sam can tank anything my DRK can just as good with the right support. DRK just requires more gear switches and the same support a sam would get plus a refresh imo. i never really tanked on DRK w/o NOT doing dmg. and i have all the gear you had to back it up as well. The only mob where i would say my DRK tanked better than my sam was probably the little petty things like KS99 wyrm or... idk. i cant think of anything else where my drk would shine more as far as tanking goes.

my sam had more access to dmg reduction with physical and i could reach cap magic easily.


edit: actually just to clarify in case there was any confusion, my LS was the dominating type. we would fuck around alot. i told them i wanted to try JoL with sam/rdm and my friend was on war/rdm. he had his turn and next JoL i got my turn. it was ridiculously easy. it was right around the time we killed all our AV's because no one gave a fuck who was on what job until it was dead and we had to get all the drks geared up lol. But for a DD job, id say its pretty versatile it just depends how motivated you are.

[Raen Ryong]

oh shut the fuck up and parse it some time. I don't care that you can beat the AJ sam in your meripo. It doesn't matter how "good" of a player you are, a war/sam will outdamage a drk 95% of the time if they have similar gear.

I know it's the job you love but you can't deny numbers

Einherjar, merit, most endgame events. This isn't just random pickups I'm talking about.

WAR/SAM can beat DRK, yes; but it can also beat SAM. Gtfo SAM and play WAR? If not, why GTFO DRK and play SAM OR WAR?

DRK is a very capable DD~

[Demosthenes11]

Einherjar, merit, most endgame events. This isn't just random pickups I'm talking about.

WAR/SAM can beat DRK, yes; but it can also beat SAM. Gtfo SAM and play WAR? If not, why GTFO DRK and play SAM OR WAR?

DRK is a very capable DD~

because it was already said sam has uses on some mobs that war doesnt + sam is good sc bitch? not to mention it puts out much closer numbers

[Raen Ryong]

If you're gonna say to play SAM or WAR only except in very specific situations, might as well expand it to say play WAR only except in very specific situations such as where SCs are needed which is niche to SAM as zerg is to DRK.

As for SAM putting up closer numbers, I don't necessarily agree. I don't think the difference between the two DDs is that large in decently high buffed situations (where 1h WSs lose their superiority), which is the majority of endgame situations.

There is nothing wrong with DRK!

[Knyghtmayre]

SAM can't even use polearm, true story.

[Raen Ryong]

B- Polearm cannot keep up with A+ Scythe, both with multihit weaponskills, on a non-piercing weak mob.

[Knyghtmayre]

Weren't you just arguing that DRK trumps all in every situation (which includes merits)? Well then, merits certainly includes piercing-weak mobs and fuck your Guillotine sir. Even on mamools averaging 1k+ Pentas usually is plenty enough to compete with anything A+. Unless you're gonna bitch that 95% Acc > SAM WSing twice as much.

[richardd]

my sam has something to dmg jailor of temp in all forms and drk doesnt! neener neener!

i dont think anyone cares at this point.

if ppl dont accept drk as a DD with potential, than thats their fault. 90% of ppl out there dont think non relic DRKs can keep up with a relic DRK np in a merit pty/misc events unless they see it for themselves. who cares? war drk sam. i lvl'd them all and i still had respect for them individually. Lvling another job for the sake of outparsing your old one is kind of dumb imo. You'll always find yourself in that constant competition of petty arguments with ppl who claim WAR> SAM or SAM>WAR. idc. actions speak louder than words. to me it was never about job > job, but the person behind it and their playstyle/aggressiveness over the next guy.

[Raen Ryong]

Nooo, we're misunderstanding each other

I was arguing that DRK isn't so weak as to say "WAR or SAM onry"; simply that DRK and SAM are close to each other in damage output in general DD situations; SAM has versatility in weapon choices, DRK has it in Stun and the other odd Dark Magics.

Demosthenes used the counterargument that war/sam can outdamage drk, and I said that it could also outdamage sam. I just think limiting your scope to just those two DDs is a bit stupid...

[Ohaigaiz]

Fucking rob brought this mentality, lol. You win, bro.

DRK isn't a bad job, and saying that because it can cast spells/do other melee+mage+tank things i.e. versatile makes it a shitty job is fucking lol. That's like saying because WAR has defender and provoke it should be used as a sub job only or some other unethically retarded elitist argument. DRK is a decent DD, and it will shine in some situations and seem off in others. Saying that it's so bad that people should just play SAM and WAR except in zerg situations is seriously fucking lol.

Really, rob, you're pretty the shit =D>

Oh and fuck off if your comment is 'my 12.95'.

[Ezhno]

My favorite melee job's dad can beat up your favorite melee job's dad.

[Knyghtmayre]

My favorite melee jobs' dad has overwhelm. YOU LOSE.

[Demosthenes11]

all I'm saying is a well geared war and sam will always beat a well geared drk unless the players are absolutely retarded or smth. If a nonrelic drk is beating a relic drk, the relic is a fucking moron and shouldnt have a relic lol. just because you do outdamage some fuckwits doesnt mean the job is better. I'll take a sam or a war in all situations DD, a blm for kites, and a pld for tank. I'll take drk for zerg. Really impossible to logic a drk beating a war or sam >.>

i hate rob btw, makes me sound like an unshaved skeevy stoner. wait fuck

[Raen Ryong]

It could go either way~

Presuming the SAM is using a 450 delay GKT and the DRK Perdu Sickle/Moliones;

- Both weapons are a 6hit WS build, difference in WS frequency is roughly 10%~ before Meditate etc assuming you WS exactly at 100% each time and don't overflow
- DRK produces more damage during the TP Phase and in a medium-high buff situation, more damage per WS (not more overall WS damage) due to Y/G/K's effectiveness "capping out" whereas Guillotine's potential continues to soar higher.
- Both have Meditate though SAM's is a lot more potent, add to SAM's WS frequency advantage.
- SAM has 3/5 minute Berserk, DRK has 3/5 minute Diabolic Eye.
- DRK is capable of having +25% Attack and be practically at the Haste cap for 30 seconds every 4:10, dealing incredible damage in that time.
- Souleater; impractical to use all of the time, but situationally can be powerful.

And other stuff, getting late I'm not saying DRK > SAM or SAM > DRK, just that I don't think the comparison is so obvious; could go either way! Indeed, it often does. If the SAM brings out a Polearm, that's a new set of factors to consider too~

[Maaglin]

If you're gonna say to play SAM or WAR only except in very specific situations, might as well expand it to say play WAR only except in very specific situations such as where SCs are needed which is niche to SAM as zerg is to DRK.

As for SAM putting up closer numbers, I don't necessarily agree. I don't think the difference between the two DDs is that large in decently high buffed situations (where 1h WSs lose their superiority), which is the majority of endgame situations.

There is nothing wrong with DRK!

The war or sam onri thought process is sad. I've out parsed plenty of war/sam's and sam/war's on drk. I've been beat by my fair share as well. But we're moslty talking a few percent either way, nothing game breaking.

DRK's do just fine agains war's and sam's in merits and like I said, the difference isn't omgwtf game breaking. For other stuff, I have better jobs that I can bring that outshine both sam and war in those events.

[Max™]

WHAT LOL

That's about as beneficial as a WAR being able to tomahawk.

HEY!

FUCK YOU BUDDY!

Tomahawk rocks, reduced HNM -mdt/killed SC/MB resists wut?



idk bro im pld

[PeaceNLove]

B- Polearm cannot keep up with A+ Scythe, both with multihit weaponskills, on a non-piercing weak mob.

I'm seriously doubting this, even though I haven't tried it. But if my Penta's on Wivres and stray Mamools that get pulled at birds are any indication, I'd think SAM would have no problem outdamaging DRK in a meripo at, say, Jade camp eating pizza. 5-hitting coupled with the fact that fully meritted SAMs already get off like 50% more WSs than a DRK would just be too much to overcome.

This is, of course, assuming its a merit situation because who uses Penta or Guillotine on anything harder?