DD Potential Discussion from Media

[Wolfknight]

I've partied with better geared drgs than you who have full timed hasso and WS'd as soon as its sensible to do so and Polearm sam still wins. Party with better sams.

I'd like to see that parse, and unless full usukane sam bs[maybe could see that winning], and Better drgs?, those must be really pimp drgs since I am missing very little for drg[aurum body, V fork, Ares Leg, Black Tathalum, HQ heca, and Ace's Helm], I parsed vs tomoe ace/Haub+1/askar/byakko/usakane and they still lost

[richardd]

I'd like to see that parse, and unless full usukane sam bs[maybe could see that winning], and Better drgs?, those must be really pimp drgs since I am missing very little for drg[aurum body, V fork, Ares Leg, Black Tathalum, HQ heca, and Ace's Helm], I parsed vs tomoe ace/Haub+1/askar/byakko/usakane and they still lost

just ignore it. they are trying to get a rise out of you lol

i pty'd with a DRG named aztech who wouldve destroyed the majority of the players he went against if he was serious. but most of the time he just cared about keeping chains and never hasso'd much and still outparsed polearm/relic sams. the only job he didnt outparse was a yochi sam. but fuck those guys.

but he outparse -real- relic/ polearm sams. ones with mars rings/nin sash's and my aggressiveness playstyle. he aint no joke.

when he was serious, he would ruin the confidence any DD going agasint him. 3300+ drakes isnt something to laugh at.



but with that said. who cares? it doesnt mean sam > drg or drg > sam. imo bird camps are the WORSE places to parse. usually the person doing the most dmg is the one behind the parse the most if he/she's unlucky to get his TP reset all the time. i went against him on my 5/5 usu sam and velo belt/afv2 belt and tomoe and still lost. and i pumped out the biggest penta posted on BG so far from a samurai on a greater colobri (PNL will catch up soon enough). if people are close minded enough to think on that mentality, they're not worth arguing over.

[Tubbers]

You're making him sound like some kind of God. There's a reason people can't always full time Hasso and play extremely aggressively. It's called you'll die. You're an okay guy, Rich, but you're exaggerating and you know it, lol.

[richardd]

You're making him sound like some kind of God. There's a reason people can't always full time Hasso and play extremely aggressively. It's called you'll die. You're an okay guy, Rich, but you're exaggerating and you know it, lol.

of course i am


im just sinking down to that lvl because its the only thing they seem to understand lol

at least you caught it lol

but on the real. az was a really good DRG. even if he did have all the things needed minus a relic, he played that job to the fullest. i would be more afraid to parse against him in a camp like jade even on his drg than i would be on someone else's ebody war/sam with perdu.

[antihero]

SE needs to implement EXP servers like in PSU, cross-server EXP parties for parsing go

[Isawa]

WHAT LOL

That's about as beneficial as a WAR being able to tomahawk. I'm almost sure that SAM can outperform DRK at everything that doesn't involve SEBW or kiting, since SAM still doesn't have movement speed gear (-_-). SAM/NIN could stay alive longer than a DRK, has access to far more PDT- and MDT- gear, and can make anything look retarded on birds if you want to bring this down to merit level.

That being said, I still regret picking the one job in the game that can't wear movement+ ^^b

Late, but DRK can reach -24% PDT taken and -25% MDT gear wise. SAM just has access to gear with more PDT on a singular piece, while DRK has to have several pieces.

Edit: -30% MDT if using Resentment, forgot to add that in ~.~.

[antihero]

I usually win by a decent margin (4-5%) but I'm galka and they're inferior races (some of them are slow to engage as well), I have 2054 HP with Carbonara on and somewhere between 2.3-2.4k after Drain II. We have 4 Octave Clubs (I kinda started a trend) and 2 Kraken Clubs, its usually me and one other dude who has the same gear as me > the 2 krakens > the other 2 octaves > kris/ridill drks. (the octave drks besides me and #2 have NQ dusk and use gloom/princes slops instead of harness+1(dusk jerkin)/sable cuisses, the kraken drks use gloom and only have basic homam/swift belt for 18%)

fuck parenthesis.

[Faris]

One of the few times I will agree with Starr. What # account are you on now, seems pretty nerdish to spend so much $ on a game.

oh my SAM is better cus it can WS more than WAR. oh DRK is better cus it can zerg.


wtf is this shit, get a life. me spending money on this game, yea right. first i wish i was rich enough to have the extra cash to spend on a lolgame. second all my accounts are free. get your facts straight before you flame fucker.

[antihero]

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[Knyghtmayre]

get your facts straight before you flame fucker.

Just like you did when you came into this thread right lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm fucking hilarious.

[Ruuz]

As much as I love all the epeen swinging, I think it is all kind of pointless. Really, the ideal DD in a merit situation is the one that deals enough damage to safely keep chain going and take no more damage than the RDM can handle in a convert cycle. Really, parses are cute and all, but if you are keeping chain going and hitting the limits of your camp, what does the job you're using really matter?

On HNM, it seems much the same. How efficient are you at putting out lots of damage while minimizing damage taken so your group resources arent squandered.

I think job potential really only matters if you can reach it, and if it allows the freeing of other slots in party/alliance for other jobs that can better secure your victory/damage potential.

Also, I think we all recognize that parse results can be skewered. No one really mentions relic KClub RNG (or Yoichi SAM) since they can totally sabotage the rest of the party by feeding tp and never taking hate. Also, as has been mentioned, DRK can go all out suicidal with SE and even break out a KClub every 5min (may need a pl nearby) and destroy the parse. However, these arent really practical or best for the situation, but you see what I'm getting at?

Remember not all that matters can be quantified, not all that can be quantified matters.

[Knyghtmayre]

Really? I've never once thought "Damn I have to stay alive until this Greater Colibri dies or else another shell is going to gank it!" Merits are a different animal than HNMs, in every single aspect.

[Killkenny]

just ignore it. they are trying to get a rise out of you lol

i pty'd with a DRG named aztech who wouldve destroyed the majority of the players he went against if he was serious. but most of the time he just cared about keeping chains and never hasso'd much and still outparsed polearm/relic sams. the only job he didnt outparse was a yochi sam. but fuck those guys.

but he outparse -real- relic/ polearm sams. ones with mars rings/nin sash's and my aggressiveness playstyle. he aint no joke.

when he was serious, he would ruin the confidence any DD going agasint him. 3300+ drakes isnt something to laugh at.

Well why didn't you say so, he gets the rich seal of approval which gives +20% haste that ignores the haste cap and all WS do double whatever anyone elses so.

Seriously stop twisting words to suit your arguement.

Yes everything comes down to gear, and yes everything comes down to play style. Stop getting sore whenever someone suggests the POTENTIAL of one job is lower than another because it doesn't automatically mean it can't do good damage.


@ Firas, yeah you aren't a hypocrite at all when it comes to baseless flaming and prove those accounts were free cuz you smel lik rmt.

[richardd]

Well why didn't you say so, he gets the rich seal of approval which gives +20% haste that ignores the haste cap and all WS do double whatever anyone elses so.

wtf is this guy talking about? someone wanna help me?

what gives 20% haste and ignores haste cap?

rich seal of approval? oh you made that up? hilarious. let me share out my laughs to someone like you. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha.. ha-- stfu.

who the hell are you again? you down talk whoever to suit your own arguments. i just told the guy not to take it serious to someone with the likes of you. i earned my rep the hard way like everyone else did, but i didnt have to do it by saying things like "i pty'd with better geared ppl than you and i outparsed them so that means this job is stronger blah blah"

you make up silly shit like "rich seal of approval" when you dont have enough facts to counteract with a rebuttle.

here you earned a *rich seal of approval*

oh ps. selim's sam is better geared than yours. i guess that means he can outparse you too right???

howdily doodily


@firas:

hey man! i know you didnt buy that account. thats kurosake isnt it? i remember you 2 were good friends. but why did you name it pedro?!

[Neosutra]

What the fuck.

[richardd]

What the fuck.

no shit.



post your mnk setups punk

[Snprphnx]

Edit: -30% MDT if using Resentment, forgot to add that in ~.~.

while both magic damage taken and physical damage taken both cap at 50%, any magic -% over 25% is negated by your WHMs capped Shell V. That is, if your WHMs have Shell V capped.

[Ruuz]

Really? I've never once thought "Damn I have to stay alive until this Greater Colibri dies or else another shell is going to gank it!" Merits are a different animal than HNMs, in every single aspect.

Huh? Since when are you worrying about them stealing your bird? I'm saying that you have to stay alive to keep doing damage, which is real obvious, I know, but should be taken into account. Also, it's not like even if you could line up 4 relic DDs going balls deep in birds you would raise the xp possible at the camp. The camp is still limited by the number of pops and respawn time. I guess you could always make the case for 2 BRDs pulling from all levels to expand your potential mob pool, but this becomes a problem if other people are stealing your mobs.

Anyways, continue with whatever

[Killkenny]

wtf is this guy talking about? someone wanna help me?

what gives 20% haste and ignores haste cap?

rich seal of approval? oh you made that up? hilarious. let me share out my laughs to someone like you. ha. ha. ha. ha. ha.. ha-- stfu.

who the hell are you again? you down talk whoever to suit your own arguments. i just told the guy not to take it serious to someone with the likes of you. i earned my rep the hard way like everyone else did, but i didnt have to do it by saying things like "i pty'd with better geared ppl than you and i outparsed them so that means this job is stronger blah blah"

Its in response to the "i pty'd with a DRG named aztech who wouldve destroyed the majority of the players he went against if he was serious." type of comment, which you make a lot of (people read KI to). How exactly did he destroy the majority of players with his drg, did he have GM gear or did he only party with people who just hit 75 and are looking for a decent sky ls.

Its not obviously about the job, its about the person playing the job which you've just ignored and then reused as if its your defense every time you post.

Also you earned your rep riding Rukenshin's coattails because while he may not have been the first person to invent nin/drk and all the rest he was the first person to post about it and make it publically known. None of what we've done since then is anything more than an expansion on that. Its nothing against you but don't act like you are something special.

p.s. It must be nice for Selim assuming he has AV items (based on your comment) but really try harder.

[richardd]

oh hi, i see your not making up any "play this card *richardd immunity*" bullshit anymore. i won the argument before it even started.

Its in response to the "i pty'd with a DRG named aztech who wouldve destroyed the majority of the players he went against if he was serious." type of comment, which you make a lot of (people read KI to). How exactly did he destroy the majority of players with his drg, did he have GM gear or did he only party with people who just hit 75 and are looking for a decent sky ls.

oh goody. you made a funny. and for once its actually mildy humorous to someone who has nothing better to do on a sunday than play SFIV and beat up kens and post to dumbasses who try to hard too prove that they are worth something to the elite community.

you're an idiot. aztech was retarded on DRG. that man set the bar on Garuda for it. If you dont know him you better ax' somebodeh'. not only did he outparse other relic DRG's but he did things that was "impossible" to do before 2h update patches. If you get lucky 100x in a row. chances are, its not luck. there is no "special gm tool" that makes you do zomg00ber dmg. even tho i know you were being sarcastic about that amirite?

the ppl he outparsed had mars rings, n sashes, apocs, amanos, bravuras, and spharais. Im sure youll find 1-2 ppl like that in every Sky LS. hurrrrr

Its not obviously about the job, its about the person playing the job which you've just ignored and then reused as if its your defense every time you post.

You'll always find yourself in that constant competition of petty arguments with ppl who claim WAR> SAM or SAM>WAR. idc. actions speak louder than words. to me it was never about job > job, but the person behind it and their playstyle/aggressiveness over the next guy.

any questions? you seem to be running out of stuff to say if you claim to already have read this. if this is your attempt at a flame, you better try someone else. you're way too predictable and i already know what you're going to say next. and im ready for it.

whats ironic about this whole thing is we arent even really arguing about the MAIN subject at hand. so whats your beef? you got something against me? good cuz i got something against you

i decided to make you my bitch after you made that comment to wolfknight. I hate ppl that claim they are better than others and better geared. no one is better than anyone. idc if you were trying to prove a point on "sam can outparse drgs in bird camps" etc. using that as a comeback was low. that reflects upon you as a person, homey. idc who you are. the lvl 1 mnk in east ronfare will probably have a dring and 2 relics in 2 years (if this game lasts lol) and than they'll be the one you're relying on to hold hate. everyone starts off somewhere and keeps progressing. to downtalk someone like that and degrade them on a forum is hardly respectable.

Also you earned your rep riding Rukenshin's coattails because while he may not have been the first person to invent nin/drk and all the rest he was the first person to post about it and make it publically known. None of what we've done since then is anything more than an expansion on that. Its nothing against you but don't act like you are something special.

im not something special. im just like everyone else. i treat everyone the same whether they are wearing a SH or an ebody. I could see how i come off like that, but thats who i am. if you know me, youll know im always like that. im a goofball and i fuck around on vent and i like to have fun. ill never EVER say to someone else "i pty with ppl in better gear than you and i outparse them, therefore im right" or to that extent. thats just harsh.

besides, ppl dont know me for nin/drk or tanking. the majority of ppl who contact me on MSN know me because i post pics of me running around in subligars back in the day, and misc salvage shit and adobe photoshop.

i respected the hell out of ruke/kisada/mojo and a few others. but they arent even playing anymore. how is that riding their nuts? where have you seen me and them on the same forum/topic at the same time? they all quit, and you need to too. your comebacks are about as lame as the election we just had.

come on and hurry up with a reply. im playing championship mode. i need something to do in the middle of the loading times.