Good Job Britain

[Jodwahh]

I give up, you're totally right, we should let people into my country who want to kill thousands of people, or people who want to encourage other to do their dirty work for them because it infringes their right to free speech.

[Gregorio]

I give up, you're totally right, we should let people into my country who want to kill thousands of people, or people who want to encourage other to do their dirty work for them because it infringes their right to free speech.

Thank you. Glad to see you came around and realized that wanting to kill thousands of people is not the same as actually killing thousands of people or making others kill thousands of people. Somehow they have managed to not kill thousands of people in America or other countries, so I think you guys should be ok.

[Dimmauk]

So this entire thread no one bothered to mention that the OP spelled the country name wrong? I'm disappointed, Shue.

Did you read my post on the first page? I said I spelled it wrong.

[Jodwahh]

Thank you. Glad to see you came around and realized that wanting to kill thousands of people is not the same as actually killing thousands of people or making others kill thousands of people. Somehow they have managed to not kill thousands of people in America or other countries, so I think you guys should be ok.

Yeah the people in Hamas on the list wont have got people to commit crimes against others for them. The head of the KKK is a complete innocent. The neo-nazi group responsible for the deaths of 20 people for no reason other than the fact that they didn't like their tan are good little boys really. The Jewish right wingers who push for the deaths of muslims are nice people really. My bad.

[Gregorio]

Yeah the people in Hamas on the list wont have got people to commit crimes against others for them. The head of the KKK is a complete innocent. The neo-nazi group responsible for the deaths of 20 people for no reason other than the fact that they didn't like their tan are good little boys really. The Jewish right wingers who push for the deaths of muslims are nice people really. My bad.

Oh I seem to have somehow changed your mind into believe something I never actually said. Make no mistake about it, these aren't good people at all. And I have no problem not allowing actual violent criminals into your country. But keeping people out of your country for thoughtcrimes goes too far. I hope my non-existant arguments about these people being good hasn't sunk in too much with you.

[Jodwahh]

It's not thought crimes. If all the did was think about it or talk to a small amount of people about what they think then it wouldn't be a problem. The problems arise when they talk themselves into the public eye and try to turn others to their way of thinking which will result in problems for innocent (for a given amount of innocent lol) people who will face persecution and violence as a direct result of the weak minded individuals who are influenced by these shitastic fucktards.

edit: There's no way you can possibly think they want to come to England just for a nice little holiday by the seaside in Bognor Regis.

[Demosthenes11]

michael savage does not incite violence nor would he ever. His beliefs are incredibly far from violence. Does he hate homosexuals? probably. He thinks they are everything wrong with society. Does he want them dead? never. You can't tell me you don't hate the religious right as much as he does gays, or dick cheney / bush. The public eye isn't even an argument in regards to freedom of speech.

[Shuemue]

Does he want them dead? never.

"Oh, so you're one of those sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig; how's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better to do than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage, and choke on it. Get trichinosis."


Doesn't want gays dead, right?

You're slacking, bigot.

[Jodwahh]

Yeah the clips they played of him on the radio didn't do much for your case of saying that he doesn't want people dead or violence to be caused to people. He was telling people to "go up to Muslim in supermarkets and show them what you think of them". I don't think he was suggesting you should go and tell them that their taxes are a welcome stimulus to the economy and we are all very grateful for the long hours they put in running shops and post offices that are cornerstones of the community. I mean I could pratically hear the vein popping out from his head as he was shouting it.

[Demosthenes11]

let's share the context of that quote. That was a specific person and not the gay community. It's the "shocking" thing he does to make money. Tell people to fuck off and die choking on a pretzel.

Calling me a bigot is pretty laughable too. Who do I hate?

[Gregorio]

It's not thought crimes. If all the did was think about it or talk to a small amount of people about what they think then it wouldn't be a problem. The problems arise when they talk themselves into the public eye and try to turn others to their way of thinking which will result in problems for innocent (for a given amount of innocent lol) people who will face persecution and violence as a direct result of the weak minded individuals who are influenced by these shitastic fucktards.

edit: There's no way you can possibly think they want to come to England just for a nice little holiday by the seaside in Bognor Regis.

For the banned people living in America the problems you're describing don't exist on any large scale. There's no longer mass lynching of black people because of the KKK. There's not mass killing of gays because of Savage. And people aren't running around killing everyone who is a "fag enabler" because of Phelps. I'm not saying hate crimes don't exist, but they would still certainly exist even without these groups around. Why are you so worried about these people? Are Brits inherantly more simple minded and easier to sway towards violence than Americans?

And about your edit...why wouldn't they want to go to England for a nice lil holiday? I could be wrong, but I don't think Britain's banned list is a result of Savage/Phelps/KKK making plans to travel England to get their message out.

[Jodwahh]

For the banned people living in America the problems you're describing don't exist on any large scale. There's no longer mass lynching of black people because of the KKK. There's not mass killing of gays because of Savage. And people aren't running around killing everyone who is a "fag enabler" because of Phelps. I'm not saying hate crimes don't exist, but they would still certainly exist even without these groups around. Why are you so worried about these people? Are Brits inherantly more simple minded and easier to sway towards violence than Americans?

It not just killing its all the violence, harassment and just general bullshit that gays,blacks,whites,muslims,chistians et all would have to put up with that they wouldn't if these people don't get to come here and glorify hate crimes. British people aren't inherantly more simple mindedbut some people, as there are in every country, are not as open minded and tolerant as others and only need the smallest excuse or pushing to cause shit for other people.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Britain's banned list is a result of Savage/Phelps/KKK making plans to travel England to get their message out.

Why else would they be on that list if not for stopping them coming here to get their message out? I'm sure their shirts can't be that bad.

[Kuya]

You know, now that i think about it, i don't recall ever seeing a thread in BG for people to complain about how the US bans people for ideological reasons from entering the US.

Oh, sorry. Let's get back to talking about freedom of speech then.

[Demosthenes11]

You know, now that i think about it, i don't recall ever seeing a thread in BG for people to complain about how the US bans people for ideological reasons from entering the US.

Oh, sorry. Let's get back to talking about freedom of speech then.

your logic is flawless. I never see you post things here complaining about bad things in puerto rico, so you can't complain here! It's not like american black lists have been in the news...that I can recall at all, so why make a thread? Again, just because it's happening here doesn't mean we can't complain about it anywhere.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

michael savage does not incite violence nor would he ever. His beliefs are incredibly far from violence. Does he hate homosexuals? probably. He thinks they are everything wrong with society. Does he want them dead? never. You can't tell me you don't hate the religious right as much as he does gays, or dick cheney / bush. The public eye isn't even an argument in regards to freedom of speech.

Sorry dude but you're back on the wrong side of the tracks: YouTube - Michael Savage Hate Speech Exposed

He does incite violence and hatred and he is a complete scumbag. But he still has the right to be a scumbag.

[Kuya]

I never see you post things here complaining about bad things in puerto rico,

Actually, i have, recently when Heian asked me about PR, and that time Charla asked me on the political situation in PR. Not like it matters, i can only tell people who are interested in knowing about it, otherwise, it would just be me arguing with myself.

Now, let's go watch the I suddenly care about freedom of speech-right wing:

How many members of King Abdullah's entourage at the G20 summit the other week live by Jacqui Smith's "standards and values"? Come to that, how many British subjects live by the "standards and values" of the countries they visit and trade with? The idea of ideological enforcement at the border is repugnant to a free society.

Glenn has this to say about it:

One either believes in free expression or one doesn't, and if one does, it means opposing efforts to circumscribe those ideas with which one vehemently disagrees. That's always the true test for the authenticity of one's claimed belief in these liberties. This alleged belief in free expression from the Mark Steyn Right magically extends only to those with whom they agree and is easily suspended for their ideological enemies, especially Muslims and those on the left. So transparently, it's just another club they cynically wield to glorify their bottomless animus towards Muslims and aggression in the Muslim world. Only when they begin waving the free expression flag on behalf of their ideological opponents will they deserve to have their claimed freedom "principles" taken seriously.

It is fun to watch the right wing bitch about the freedom of speech they never care about when it is denied to Muslims and people who criticize the US government's foreign policy.

It's not like american black lists have been in the news.

I AM SO SURPRISED

[Demosthenes11]

I don't see the point you are trying to make. People not involved in this thread are hypocrites? Until there are no blacklists in america americans cant bitch? you are wondering why i have never said anything bad about american blacklists in threads completely unrelated?

[Kuya]

I am not making a concrete point, i am complaining.

[archibaldcrane]

A friend of mine is Michael Savage's son's massage therapist (yeah, the guy who founded Rockstar energy drink). She said he doesn't talk about his dad at all.

[Jer]

I know there's plenty of people I wouldn't mind seeing banned from the U.S. They don't even have to be 'violent' themselves. Members of Westboro, for one. The shit they've pulled over the years is retarded to the utmost degree.