California marijuana debate

[Gadritan]

Have you seen the more recent one when the guys are going through a fast food drive through and nail the little girl on her bike?

If you dart out in front of a car on your bike (and from a restaurant at that), it's your fault for not slowing down/stopping to check out traffic before crossing. I'm surprised they haven't shown the reverse of that and had some dude on his bike dart out in front a car and get hit "because he was high."

Propaganda like that shouldn't be aired.

[Penthesilea]

That's like the same exact one I saw, but the footage looked like it was from decades ago.

[Gadritan]

They probably had to go cheap with it since the rest of the money that was supposed to be spent in their campaign has already been spent on hookers and Mercedes.

[miokomioko]

Yes, because deep down we all really know smoking marijuana doesn't affect your mind at all and is perfectly A-OK to use while piloting a 2-ton piece of machinery amongst pedestrians.

[Day]

It really is. I'd rather be on the road with 1000 stoners than 5 drunks.

[miokomioko]

It really is. I'd rather be on the road with 1000 stoners than 5 drunks.

I'd prefer to be on the road with infinite sober people rather than 1 stoned person. Is that so much to ask? I never compared it to driving while drunk, which isn't legal whatsoever and is heavily campaigned against. I just hate people crying "propaganda" about something that's not really a stretch by any means just because it's against their preferred recreational drug.

[Gadritan]

Yes, because deep down we all really know smoking marijuana doesn't affect your mind at all and is perfectly A-OK to use while piloting a 2-ton piece of machinery amongst pedestrians.

DUI exist for a reason. Pot shouldn't be excluded from them either. While a lot of people can drive while they're high no problem, the majority will still have slower reaction time etc. Just not to the extent that is portrayed.

Extremist can eat a dick.

Edit: It's a HUGE stretch. Seriously. Don't speak out of ignorance.

[Day]

I'd prefer to be on the road with infinite sober people rather than 1 stoned person. Is that so much to ask? I never compared it to driving while drunk, which isn't legal whatsoever and is heavily campaigned against. I just hate people crying "propaganda" about something that's not really a stretch by any means just because it's against their preferred recreational drug.

Ok well, good luck with that.

[miokomioko]

It's a HUGE stretch. Seriously. Don't speak out of ignorance.

The only stretch regarding this television spot is that this scene would not be happening mid-day, so it probably wouldn't be a 6 year old girl with training wheels.

It's not much of a stretch at all to portray two douchebags, high as fuck, sitting in a Wendy's drive-thru because they have the munchies, pulling out and hitting a pedestrian on the sidewalk. This kind of shit happens even without a reduced reaction time from however many bowls someone smokes. Hell, they should have just set it at night and hit an adult wearing dark colors just to be more realistic and it would possibly play off the more real fear of being in an accident while being high rather than the implication that the accident happened because they were high.

[Gadritan]

The only stretch regarding this television spot is that this scene would not be happening mid-day, so it probably wouldn't be a 6 year old girl with training wheels.

It's not much of a stretch at all to portray two douchebags, high as fuck, sitting in a Wendy's drive-thru because they have the munchies, pulling out and hitting a pedestrian on the sidewalk. This kind of shit happens even without a reduced reaction time from however many bowls someone smokes. Hell, they should have just set it at night and hit an adult wearing dark colors just to be more realistic and it would possibly play off the more real fear of being in an accident while being high rather than the implication that the accident happened because they were high.

You obviously have absolutely no fucking clue how many accidents are marijuana related, nor do you understand at all the effects of it.

Go do some research so you stop making yourself look like such an idiot.

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Fact: There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. At some doses, marijuana affects perception and psychomotor performances- changes which could impair driving ability. However, in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications. In contrast to alcohol, which tends to increase risky driving practices, marijuana tends to make subjects more cautious. Surveys of fatally injured drivers show that when THC is detected in the blood, alcohol is almost always detected as well. For some individuals, marijuana may play a role in bad driving. The overall rate of highway accidents appears not to be significantly affected by marijuana's widespread use in society.

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Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. “Legalization: Panacea or Pandora’s Box”. New York. (1995):36.

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Swan, Neil. “A Look at Marijuana’s Harmful Effects.” NIDA Notes. 9.2 (1994): 14.

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Moskowitz, Herbert and Robert Petersen. Marijuana and Driving: A Review. Rockville: American Council for Drug Education, 1982. 7.

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Mann, Peggy. Marijuana Alert. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1985. 265.

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You're one of the poor saps that eats up that propaganda like it's the word of God himself.

[miokomioko]

Way to post a big chunk of inconclusivity.

[Gadritan]

Way to post a big chunk of inconclusivity.

How retarded are you?

That's from scientific studies and research and was a small sample of what you can find out there if you took a few minutes to research it.

By the way, "inconclusivity," isn't even a word. You're a genius.

[Max™]

Have you smoked pot?

Do you know what the ACTUAL effects are?

Myself, I have a weird brain chemistry it seems, because pot acts like a stimulant on me (buzz + lots of energy = fun), but basically it is an EXTREMELY mild hallucinogen.

It doesn't (usually) produce the types of visual effects people think of when they see the term hallucinogen, it's what I always liked to call a "headchange".

A nice pleasant... lightness of being, and in my case it seems to intensify as I think about various things, while reading, chatting with friends, playing video games, driving. May not be the same for everyone, though I'm fairly sure it is, but pot rewards ME at least for concentrating on my current activity by making the buzz more vivid.

Alcohol on the other hand is a loss of control, it's hard to concentrate on anything, it's hard to coordinate my limbs with my sensory inputs.

Pot didn't affect my ability to control my limbs, it didn't really do much to my body at all, being high is felt in your head.

So yeah, that chick who ran into a little kid at a drivethru would probably have done that sober too.

Nevermind that usually, if given the choice between watching the Discovery Channel, and driving around... most potheads are gonna be staring in awe at a bunch of animals doing animal stuff on some nature show.

Tobacco on the other hand left me with a tingling, detached sort of numbness in my fingertips, and a general uneasiness.

I assume that isn't the usual response, because if it is, I really don't get why people keep smoking after the first cigarette.

[Day]

@mikinomo
Woah woah woah calm down with the stereotypes and generalizations, you're gonna hurt someone with those things. Is every one who drinks a beer a raging alcholic destined to hit your little sister with their alchohol mobile too?

[Suited Aces]

Fact: There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. At some doses, marijuana affects perception and psychomotor performances- changes which could impair driving ability. However, in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications. In contrast to alcohol, which tends to increase risky driving practices, marijuana tends to make subjects more cautious. Surveys of fatally injured drivers show that when THC is detected in the blood, alcohol is almost always detected as well. For some individuals, marijuana may play a role in bad driving. The overall rate of highway accidents appears not to be significantly affected by marijuana's widespread use in society.

To paraphase: Marijuana can affect driving skills, but doesn't affect the way you drive. Also we surveyed dead people, and they all said they drove while high and drunk, so we can't determine what caused what. And legalizing Marijuana will make its use even more widespread, so these numbers mean nothing anyway.

Sounds inconclusive to me.


This is coming from someone that has smoked daily for 12+ years, so put down the pitchforks.

Driving while high is worse than driving sober. That is a fact. Unless you're sober on a cellphone.

[miokomioko]

By the way, "inconclusivity," isn't even a word.

u dont say!

Woah woah woah calm down with the stereotypes and generalizations, you're gonna hurt someone with those things. Is every one who drinks a beer a raging alcholic destined to hit your little sister with their alchohol mobile too?

wat?

[Gadritan]

My point was that he should at least take some time to research it instead of just eating up whatever was put on TV and accepting it as fact.

To really understand something, you have to invest time into learning both sides of the debate through research.

Then you can make an intelligent, well informed decision.

Edit: Not to mention he keeps taking things to a ridiculous extreme. I'm not going to sit here and say marijuana has 0 negative effects just to support my argument. It's stupid to take such an extremist stance with any subject.

[Penthesilea]

To paraphase: Marijuana can affect driving skills, but doesn't affect the way you drive. Also we surveyed dead people, and they all said they drove while high and drunk, so we can't determine what caused what. And legalizing Marijuana will make its use even more widespread, so these numbers mean nothing anyway.

Sounds inconclusive to me.


This is coming from someone that has smoked daily for 12+ years, so put down the pitchforks.

Driving while high is worse than driving sober. That is a fact. Unless you're sober on a cellphone.

While this is true, I think I'd rather drive with one stoner than infinite sober people like mioklokokoloko wants to. Fatal accidents happen even without drugs.

[Max™]

I'd happily trade every fucktard on a cellphone for a pothead.

The potheads will be worried about getting pulled over and focusing on not fucking up while driving.

The cellphone assholes will be worried about their nieces wedding reception which the person who just called them was making sure they would be able to attend, and while they're on the line they'd like to confirm any guests and whatnot. Oh good, the stupid bitch on the cellphone happens to have a list of guests in her purse... now she's going to reach down into it and dig around for it...

WHILE MANEUVERING A GODDAMN AUTOMOBILE!


All studies showing significant impairment to reflexes was with significant doses.

You remember when you and your friends got the brilliant idea to cut the bottom off a milk jug, cut a hole in the side, stick it in a sink half full of water and plug the hole with a burning joint... then you leaned down, popped the lid off and wrapped your lips around it...

Then pushed the jug down into the water while inhaling...


Next thing you know you're on your back on the floor and everyone is laughing, while you wonder how the hell your knees got up there.


Yeah, THAT kind of dose of good pot... that'll be bad to drive after.

It'll be hard to get off the couch, walk out to the driveway, open the door, insert the key, start the car and actually leave the driveway.

Odds are you'll be embedded in the couch, laughing occasionally, watching the room flow towards and behind you.

Pot is not the same as Alchohol, have you tried it?

You should.

[Day]

wat?

I think I was pretty clear. Hard to stutter on the internet.