Do you think Hand-to-hand weapons should allow Grips?

[Wolfknight]

Nothing wrong with overshooting your goal, and then do some little rebalancing afterwards (it's pretty standard in online gaming), it's just that they haven't really rebalanced since. Par for the course for SE of course though, after all, it did take years before they gave twohanders that necessary update.

SE did nerf YGK slightly[2.0 at 200% to 1.875 at 200%] though other jobs weren't touched really, and Really I'd much rather see the jobs[thf, blu, bst, and maybe nin] buffed, than 1 handers since that way don't have to worry about pushing ridill to overpowerment again, could also make pld atonement spam even more crazy w/more free acc for it, and screw war's axe/axe sorry it's not worth making equal since would break something else, since there is NO way I see to make what you want for GA vs Axe/Axe, w/o making Axe/ridill > all again[or even axe/joy > GA].

[Baha]

SE did nerf YGK slightly[2.0 at 200% to 1.875 at 200%] though other jobs weren't touched really, and Really I'd much rather see the jobs[thf, blu, bst, and maybe nin] buffed, than 1 handers since that way don't have to worry about pushing ridill to overpowerment again, could also make pld atonement spam even more crazy w/more free acc for it, and screw war's axe/axe sorry it's not worth making equal since would break something else, since there is NO way I see to make what you want for GA vs Axe/Axe, w/o making Axe/ridill > all again[or even axe/joy > GA].

Yeah it wouldn't be easy, it's easy to say what I'd like, but much harder to get it that way. Hadn't really thought of PLD Atonement either, good point.
Getting those jobs back up there should indeed be the main goal, and it's probably better to skirt around everything else and do it with specific adjustments.

[Yugl]

It's not listed the same as ingame, the number before the brackets is the total, brackets is the bonus from gear.

Silly way to display it, but I that works I guess.

Yeah, they should've fixed the glaring problem of course. First one big upgrade (Hasso), that didn't do it, so another big update that changes/updates 4 things at the same time. We can't really say anything conclusive about the effect of the extra accuracy by itself, we can only speculate. Hasso by itself was not enough to break DW dominance, that we can say. Then we got DEX>acc, STR>attack, grips and improved WS's all at once. I *think* that the last three changes would've been enough, but I can't say for sure because we got all four together.

There were some less obvious changes as well (Some modifier I think) that corresponded with the update. I think that other update is the reason 2H had an epic week of perma-crits.

[Vodou]

's what i've been told, if anyone's actually done the frame test feel free to correct me

I've never seen a post on it either here or alla as to a frame test (which is logically what you'd need.)

Logically, looking at how SE does things, a 2-5% adjustment would be reasonable. I tend to think 5% is the most likely.

[Starr]

With as nice as the other stats are already I was expecting it to be something lame like 1%, 5% would just be epic.

[Keni79]

Give them grips ffs SE! post count up <,<

[oldoldman]

Give them grips ffs SE! post count up <,<

You are a bad person.

[Tagus]

Let me preface this by saying I don't give two shits if hand-to-hand get grips. In fact, I'd like to see MNK buffed up so it can parse with 2-handers, because I have respect for people who punch stuff. But isn't the whole concept of Monks using a weapon grip made impossible by the simple fact that Monks don't hold weapons?

Just a thought.

Now back to your regularly scheduled mathlete competition.

[Burnsy]

Let me preface this by saying I don't give two shits if hand-to-hand get grips. In fact, I'd like to see MNK buffed up so it can parse with 2-handers, because I have respect for people who punch stuff. But isn't the whole concept of Monks using a weapon grip made impossible by the simple fact that Monks don't hold weapons?

Just a thought.

Now back to your regularly scheduled mathlete competition.

Do you play this game? Since when do MNKs use telekinesis to swing their cesti/claws/bangadangas etc? Have you looked at h2h weapons? There's a big fucking handle on every one... No, not griping at all

[Sanjiyan]

To be honest when I started this game I was disappointed that MNK actually had weapons. I fully expected them to go barehanded, and if anything is to be a weapon it would've been different kinds of wraps for the fist.

With weapons it felt like any other weapon using jobs. What's the fun in that? I want to pummel stuff with my fists, raw.

[Pikarya]

To be honest when I started this game I was disappointed that MNK actually had weapons. I fully expected them to go barehanded, and if anything is to be a weapon it would've been different kinds of wraps for the fist.

With weapons it felt like any other weapon using jobs. What's the fun in that? I want to pummel stuff with my fists, raw.

Umm, I suppose... I understand in other FF's such as III that using your bare fists without a weapon for quite some time during the game till near the end that it was best in damage/etc.

But not using weapons at all? Kinda leaves a blank page for no diversity imo.

[Greatguardian]

July 9th Version Update:
The Monk job class has been updated. Hand-To-Hand weapons have been removed from the game. Hand-to-Hand base damage has been adjusted.

Inc Thread:
Do you think Hagun should be Free?

[Tagus]

Do you play this game? Since when do MNKs use telekinesis to swing their cesti/claws/bangadangas etc? Have you looked at h2h weapons? There's a big fucking handle on every one... No, not griping at all

Like I said, I don't give a shit. Hand to hand weapons look like fucking gloves to me.

[Belgaer]

MNK is already kinda OP when they get Black Belt anyway. Granted, it's not like every MNK can get that, but it's still there. Giving them more potential is just asking for a swift nerf the following update. Maybe if their name ended with an "amurai" it would be different, but alas, that's not the case.

Just my 2 cents.