Detox and drug tests ;o

[Sol-Blackguy]

Considering that you're pro-legalization, I find it unfortunate that you're using some of the arguments which are heavily relied on by people who are against it. People are going to be irresponsible, that's true. I agree. However, we can't live lives of walking on eggshells. If we did, wouldn't alcohol be illegalized?

I'm not calling for that, but rather, equal treatment. If someone steps into work at a dangerous job drunk, send them home or fire them. Likewise, if someone comes to a risky job and they're clearly high as a kite, get rid of them. Neither deserves sympathy, but why does the former have a greater chance of getting a job than the latter? The system's unfairness is not beneficial.

Alcohol was prohibited before and turned out to be such a mess with bootlegging that it was legalized again. OK, how about this: legalize it but take a page out of Amsterdam's law and have strict laws about possession and use. Only allow it at bars or private use and increase punishment for usage and possession that would otherwise be inappropriate like work and school. I'm a little up in the air on whether or not it should be sold by the government after seeing how bad cigarettes are getting in the Tobacco/Chemical ratio.

[miokomioko]

Drug testing still prevents people who are legal medical users from obtaining jobs, even though they are not doing anything that is against the law.

I'll go ahead and dismiss that these "medicinal users" you mention are probably >90% fraud. Either way, that's interesting and everything... but not at all the topic at hand.

[Kohan]

Alcohol was prohibited before and turned out to be such a mess with bootlegging that it was legalized again. OK, how about this: legalize it but take a page out of Amsterdam's law and have strict laws about possession and use. Only allow it at bars or private use and increase punishment for usage and possession that would otherwise be inappropriate like work and school. I'm a little up in the air on whether or not it should be sold by the government after seeing how bad cigarettes are getting in the Tobacco/Chemical ratio.

The interesting thing about your opening statement is that alcohol still is prohibited, though a lot of people don't realize or aren't even aware of this. Although the historic event commonly referred to simply as "Prohibition" did end, actual alcohol prohibition never did.

Of course, it is not nearly the same as it was before, but even people who like the drink aren't always able to access it easily.

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Interestingly, there is little to no difference between prohibition states and non-prohibition states, and if many other factors were brought into the discussion -- quality of life, education, and so on -- the already insignificant percentage differences become basically forgettable.

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Controlled alcohol dispensaries are essentially the same as marijuana dispensaries. History and even modern day statistics shows that prohibition does not benefit society.

However, I -- along with anyone who truly cares about marijuana legalization -- would definitely agree to restrictive laws. Should people be arrested for driving while under the influence of anything? Yes, definitely. Making something legal does not equal providing a completely unregulated substance to anyone and everyone.

I'll go ahead and dismiss the possibility that these "medicinal users" you mention are probably >90% fraud. Either way, that's interesting and everything but not at all the topic at hand.

The sort of medicinal users referred to above certainly are not fraud. I will not disagree that the majority of people with cards today do not have a genuinely terrible medical condition, but that is why I don't refer to them in my examples.

[Sol-Blackguy]

I live in an ABC state, and essentially the ABC stores have control over hard liquor and any other high proof beverage but no beer to speak of. Wine and everything else is available at regular stores but the follow ABC guidelines of distribution. The only difference with a control state is that all stores stop selling at midnight (I think) and are closed on Sundays. It's different from state to state and for different reasoning.

I've never been to Amsterdam, does the gov't have control over marijuana? That's the only thing I can't take a stand on. One of the reasons why I quit smoking was because everything was always laced with something and regular weed is harder and harder to find. I liked getting high, but I'm not going to smoke something laced with embalming fluid. My fear is that w/e company produces it is going to do the same thing.

[Kiro]

Gonna shit in Mioko's cereal bowl tomorrow.

[Kohan]

I live in an ABC state, and essentially the ABC stores have control over hard liquor and any other high proof beverage but no beer to speak of. Wine and everything else is available at regular stores but the follow ABC guidelines of distribution. The only difference with a control state is that all stores stop selling at midnight (I think) and are closed on Sundays. It's different from state to state and for different reasoning.

Then you are, essentially, in the same position as medical marijuana users, but in reality, you are much more fortunate. Their access is incredibly restricted, discriminated against in the workplace, and suffers from the negative "pothead" images. The majority of states do not provide it at all. If you buy a pack of beer, no one but the most prudish of individuals will think less of you. If someone walks into a marijuana dispensary...

Though I am not in one myself, I do have family in control states, and even here, alcohol sales are restricted (e.g., they stop after 2AM, earlier on Sundays). That varies on a county to county basis, of all things.

I've never been to Amsterdam, does the gov't have control over marijuana? That's the only thing I can't take a stand on. One of the reasons why I quit smoking was because everything was always laced with something and regular weed is harder and harder to find. I liked getting high, but I'm not going to smoke something laced with embalming fluid. My fear is that w/e company produces it is going to do the same thing.

Fortunately, from my experience with what marijuana is currently legal, I can state that it is some of the finest, cleanest stuff you can get your hands on. While specialty strains do come from independent providers, the dispensaries aren't too far behind on that, and many of my formerly non-legal friends have no desire to go back.

Aside from that, being legal means you can grow your own, so you wouldn't even have to buy from outside sources if you didn't want to.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Then you are, essentially, in the same position as medical marijuana users, but in reality, you are much more fortunate. Their access is incredibly restricted, discriminated against in the workplace, and suffers from the negative "pothead" images. The majority of states do not provide it at all. If you buy a pack of beer, no one but the most prudish of individuals will think less of you. If someone walks into a marijuana dispensary...

Though I am not in one myself, I do have family in control states, and even here, alcohol sales are restricted (e.g., they stop after 2AM, earlier on Sundays). That varies on a county to county basis, of all things.



Fortunately, from my experience with what marijuana is currently legal, I can state that it is some of the finest, cleanest stuff you can get your hands on. While specialty strains do come from independent providers, the dispensaries aren't too far behind on that, and many of my formerly non-legal friends have no desire to go back.

Aside from that, being legal means you can grow your own, so you wouldn't even have to buy from outside sources if you didn't want to.

The pot head stereotype is going to be around for the rest of our generation and probably many after that. If anything is going to change education has to change at the source. I'm wondering if they still show those videos from the 70's/80's in school about marijuana. Above the Influence doesn't help either in the same aspect. It's going to take a lot of work to remove these stereotypes and working to legalize it is just the tip of the iceberg.

My concern about the laced weed issue stems from tobacco. There's nothing else to go on so I have to compare the 2. If anyone has noticed, there isn't so much of a seed available to the general public. I think it might be a federal offense to grow your own too. I don't want the government to have full control over weed like that. It'll probably lead to that eventually.

[Kohan]

Just want to state that I don't want you to believe I've ignored the top half of your statement, but I would like to think that the pothead stereotype will in fact die out much sooner than you predict. Currently, most people do not instantly associate alcohol usage with alcoholism. I do not believe it's unrealistic to think that the same way of thinking can happen with pot.

My concern about the laced weed issue stems from tobacco. There's nothing else to go on so I have to compare the 2. If anyone has noticed, there isn't so much of a seed available to the general public. I think it might be a federal offense to grow your own too. I don't want the government to have full control over weed like that. It'll probably lead to that eventually.

What you're saying isn't true, actually. Legal users can get seeds, or if they find them on bud they've purchased from a dispensary, they can keep them. It is in fact written in the law books -- in states which permit marijuana use for legal purposes, naturally -- how much users can grow. They can have a certain amount of mature, usable bud on hand, and be growing more at the same time.

It isn't illegal nor difficult to do. There are just as many hydroponics stores as there are marijuana dispensaries.

[Sol-Blackguy]

What you're saying isn't true, actually. Legal users can get seeds, or if they find them on bud they've purchased from a dispensary, they can keep them. It is in fact written in the law books -- in states which permit marijuana use for legal purposes, naturally -- how much users can grow. They can have a certain amount of mature, usable bud on hand, and be growing more at the same time.

It isn't illegal nor difficult to do. There are just as many hydroponics stores as there are marijuana dispensaries.

Won't know about the end result of the stereotype situation until it happens. I'm going to agree to disagree.

Sorry, I was talking about tobacco seeds. You can't find tobacco seeds anywhere these days and I think it might be illegal to grow it. That was my issue/hypothesis. You're point is still valid thought, but the legalization of marijuana is still in its infancy. Who knows what tomorrow may bring?

[Kohan]

Won't know about the end result of the stereotype situation until it happens. I'm going to agree to disagree.

Sorry, I was talking about tobacco seeds. You can't find tobacco seeds anywhere these days and I think it might be illegal to grow it. That was my issue/hypothesis. You're point is still valid thought, but the legalization of marijuana is still in its infancy. Who knows what tomorrow may bring?

Oh, well then. As far as I am aware, growing your own tobacco is perfectly legal. Though I confess to not being as familiar with it as marijuana, I do know that plenty of people grow their own.

Tobacco plants are usually no more difficult to grow than many other garden plants, but it is difficult to cure, age, and process tobacco without specialized facilities. As a result of federal legislation in late 2005, restrictions of commercial tobacco production to quota holders are no longer in effect.

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As for efforts toward legalizing marijuana being young, they truly aren't. NORML, for example, has been around for over three decades. If anything, the amount of success these efforts have had is why far more people are standing up and noticing them.

[Dimmauk]

As a recent Random Drug Test survivor, I can tell you that the Detox drinks kinda work. There really arent too many side effects. The Cereatine might make you shit once, but it wont mess you up all day. I also used Certo or Sure-Gel the second retest I recently had too. I mixed the Certo with a VitaWater, then drank 2 bottles of water, and an hour later I was clean.

Like everyone also says, if you are looking for a job, just dont smoke. I got the same retarded posts about my random drug tests too.

I passed both of my random tests, so they work.

[Qalbert]

because advising you not to do something that would keep you from getting/keeping your job is clearly retarded...

[Dimmauk]

because advising you not to do something that would keep you from getting/keeping your job is clearly retarded...

I advise you to not do anything that would keep you from living. I'm sure everyone is a perfect little angel at work and at home. The OP asked a question and instead got the same dumbshit troll posts we always see. You are not being helpful.

[Qalbert]

I'm not trolling, its common fucking sense. You want to smoke, fine. I don't care. But simply put the easiest way to pass a drug test, is not to do drugs for however long is necessary prior to taking it. Its the same thing as fasting before blood labs. I'm not bashing drugs, or drug users, just saying that to continue doing drugs knowing you might have a drug test shows a clear lack of judgment on your part. If its random drug test I can understand needing to detox etc, but from the sound of the OP its scheduled, and something he should have known about for a while. THAT is what I am bashing, because its irresponsible to do something and then expect to magically avoid the consequences.