beastman seal drop time??

[solsirt]

I remember reading somewhere that it was ONLY 5min between BS drops?

well i just got one at 20:45:20 and another at 20:47:11... less then 2min apart

although i did zone if that matters. Just wanting to help prove or disprove whatever theory there is. Looks like zoning may reset the 5min timer

[Arthars]

it is visually "ONLY 5 mins" because the treasure loot pool can only hold 1, and if you dont lot it fast, it will only auto sort after 5 mins, hence the "ONLY 1 per 5 mins" theory

for solo it auto sorts the minute it drops, and you can obtain another on the next mob

[solsirt]

alright... that explains it. I was solo, trying to figure it out. I was thought it was 1/5min period.

[Thorny]

Wrong. It's definitely 5 minutes and taking them out of pool does not reset, but apparently zoning does if what you claim is true. A while ago, a friend needed destroyers and we had 4 people in Wajaom killing weak shit in different places to farm seals.. he lotted every kindred seal as they dropped and we freelotted beastmens, and we still never got any in less than 5 minutes.

[Kyten]

I never knew this, when was this info discovered?

[Arthars]

i get 2-3 beastman seals in astral flow party, quartermastering myself

astral flow is 3 mins

yep i flow over 200 mobs if that matters, but still debunk the 5 mins per seal theory

the rate is just low

[Thorny]

i get 2-3 beastman seals in astral flow party, quartermastering myself

astral flow is 3 mins

yep i flow over 200 mobs if that matters, but still debunk the 5 mins per seal theory

the rate is just low

There aren't over 200 flowable mobs, and in well over a million exp from astralburning I've never seen multiple drops when we lot seals..

[Arthars]

There aren't over 200 flowable mobs, and in well over a million exp from astralburning I've never seen multiple drops when we lot seals..

putting seals aside

you sure there arent over 200 mobs? XD

try KXXXXXXXX TunnXX

hint: if you + your friend have extra account to pull, multiple puller helps the numbers

anyway im sure you dont count mobs anyway XD i seldom count but maze alone is roughly 120 flowable mobs if your patient solo pulling, multiple pullers gives more XP, and lesser "lost" mobs and faster pulling time

fuck lets not discuss flow anymore

[Arthars]

yea abt to say that as well

will post SS when i get home and flow in 12 hours time

i dont have to lie through a "beastman seal" thread

regarding your "well over a million XP" in flowing, i flowed from 6 million-ish XP in FFXIAH to 13 mil-ish. not including some of the jobs' that i fully meritted(about 300 merit points)

but well, that doesnt prove anything

[Arthars]

im not talking about chains.............

and i flow with 2 smns only

i dont chain 200 to say there are 200 mobs

and your missing some mobs in your count

and you prolly lose some mobs maybe because you missed something important in the process.

not gotta be too specific on this because we both still wanna flow, ya? ^^

im not starting a war with you, and i will give you a SS on the seals when i flow tonight

for now, chill and relax

[solsirt]

let me shrink pics, but i can prove zoning resets it. (i'd say i can prove under 2mins, but i did zone... so can't 'prove' it)

[Thorny]

im not talking about chains.............

and i flow with 2 smns only

i dont chain 200 to say there are 200 mobs

and your missing some mobs in your count

and you prolly lose some mobs maybe because you missed something important in the process.

not gotta be too specific on this because we both still wanna flow, ya? ^^

im not starting a war with you, and i will give you a SS on the seals when i flow tonight

for now, chill and relax

I didn't miss anything in the process, I listed all the linkable mobs in the entire zone and it's less than 200. If you had pullers rest in front of each jelly individually, you could get up to 203.. but then you subtract the 1 of each kind they pull to start links and you're back below 200. Claiming to flow over 200 mobs is a straight out lie, no matter how you look at it. That aside, resting costs you enough time that you'd get better exp flowing the other mobs and starting a new pull than spending forever OCDing for every single mob anyway :S

[Gergall]

It's been shown that if you are in an alliance, you can get multiple seals. Basically, each party in the alliance has its own 5 minute timer. The timer used is the one of the party who got the killshot on a particular mob.

So if you are claiming multiple seals at the same time...was it an alliance situation?

[Arthars]

That aside, resting costs you enough time that you'd get better exp flowing the other mobs and starting a new pull than spending forever OCDing for every single mob anyway :S

i totally agree this tho

not many people know flowing 100 mobs x 2 on fast pulls is better than 1x 200 mobs due to the amount of time you take

but i do 200 mobs on a very rare basis when both our lvl sync mule are still delvling(yep bonus stage besiged), while we charge up our SP, so theres spare time to do these "inefficient" pulling XD

btw we have 6 smns IDs, 2 delvl ID, 3 pulling IDs, so 1 wild card is approx 3 flows. we add in thundersparks too sometimes lol

lets bring flowing to PM XD. im starting to leak too much info

THERE IS NO FLOW

[el_tio]

not gotta be too specific on this because we both
wanna flow, ya? ^^

You talking about breaking alliance and triple duping mobs? GMs will catch you on that shit, they already know, in fact they already banned over a thousand people for it.

[TacoTaru]

You say 1 every 5min, I say two at once. I thought this was a Kindred shot at first and was going to suggest maybe they operated differently but apparently I was wrong.

Spoiler: show

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...405_202126.png

*edit*
Missed Gergall's post, but still the only time in 4.5yrs I've ever seen a duplicate seal in the pool.

[Thorny]

The alliance thing makes me pretty sure that it just locks each party member from getting drops on their killshot when one drops, or something similar. If it was to do with treasure pool and simply passing reset timer, I'd assume alliances could only get one as well.

[Kroot]

it is visually "ONLY 5 mins" because the treasure loot pool can only hold 1, and if you dont lot it fast, it will only auto sort after 5 mins, hence the "ONLY 1 per 5 mins" theory

for solo it auto sorts the minute it drops, and you can obtain another on the next mob

This is not true I have for sure seen 2 in one pool can remember if I ever saw 3 but it doesn't matter.

i get 2-3 beastman seals in astral flow party, quartermastering myself

astral flow is 3 mins

yep i flow over 200 mobs if that matters, but still debunk the 5 mins per seal theory

the rate is just low

im not talking about chains.............

and i flow with 2 smns only

i dont chain 200 to say there are 200 mobs

and your missing some mobs in your count

and you prolly lose some mobs maybe because you missed something important in the process.

not gotta be too specific on this because we both still wanna flow, ya? ^^

im not starting a war with you, and i will give you a SS on the seals when i flow tonight

for now, chill and relax

There is no way you are killing 200 mobs in 3 min with 2 smns because AF cant hit that many mobs at once. Therefore you are going to be doing a second set of AF or using Thunderspark which is going to put you past the 5 min mark to be able to get another seal drop.

BTW GM's know about astral burning as well as casual players. It is not some dirty secret.

[Lokim]

I dunno if Julian is around anymore, but back before Foodmonsters broke up (and back when Pergo first suggested this 5 minute seal theory) we tested it in a merit party. Lotted the seals within 5-10 seconds of them dropping and, sure enough, we'd get another seal almost exactly 5 minutes later (using timestamp.) Happened consistently for almost a dozen seals.

All the screenshots I've ever seen of more than one seal in the pool are always alliances, just like TacoTaru's. The timer appears to be on a per-party basis, so theoretically in a full alliance you could have 3 in the loot pool at once.

[Arthars]

There is no way you are killing 200 mobs in 3 min with 2 smns because AF cant hit that many mobs at once. Therefore you are going to be doing a second set of AF or using Thunderspark which is going to put you past the 5 min mark to be able to get another seal drop.

yep i mix with sparks, and hmmmm you may be right there i may have sparked outside 5 mins mark and another one drop :\ dunno man didnt notice this until this thread came about. if thats the case then i'll see if 2 or more will drop in future flows

anyway.........in maze with about 80 mobs
http://mectradegroup.com/FFXI/flowseal1.JPG
http://mectradegroup.com/FFXI/flowseal2.JPG

yea just when i need seals for testing, i get 0 -_-

i'll check when i flow again

anyway, just for fun. you know you flow too much when......
http://mectradegroup.com/FFXI/gadesdeath.JPG