Uh Oh We're in Trouble? First H1N1 Cytokine Storm/Other Problems

[Vajra]

Egyptian girl 4, dies of bird flu virus

CAIRO, May 18 (Reuters) - A 4-year-old Egyptian girl has died after contracting the highly pathogenic H5N1 bird flu virus, bringing to 27 the death toll from the virus in the most populous Arab country, state news agency MENA said on Monday.

Egypt has been hit harder by bird flu than any other country outside Asia and has seen a surge of cases in recent weeks. Twelve new human infections have been reported since April 1-- more than the country saw in all of 2008.

The girl, from the Nile Delta province of Daqahlia, fell ill on May 9 and died after being admitted to hospital on Sunday May 17 suffering from a lung infection. She brings the total number of human cases of avian influenza in Egypt to 72, MENA said.

The avian flu virus rarely infects people, but experts say they fear it could mutate into a form that humans could easily pass to one another, sparking a pandemic that could kill millions.

Most of those infected had come into contact with infected domestic birds in a country where 5 million households raise poultry as a significant source of food and income.

Last month, Egypt ordered the culling of all the country's 300,000 to 400,000 pigs as a precaution against the new H1N1 influenza strain, also known as swine flu, The new virus has not been detected in Egypt so far.

Since 2003, the more deadly H5N1 bird flu virus has infected more than 400 people in 15 countries and killed more than 250. It has killed or forced the culling of more than 300 million birds in 61 countries in Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Europe. (Writing by Cynthia Johnston; editing by Ralph Boulton)

So basically, from April 1-Present, there has been 12 cases of Bird Flu(H5N1) in Egypt, which was more than all of the cases counted in 2008 period (with in Egypt). How interesting could this be then, a slight surge? Considering the fact that the girl didn't go to the hospital til 8 days after she began feeling ill, really means that there is the possibility of H5N1 incubating in people for more than a week...

Now if this girl were to come in contact with another human, they would not catch H5N1 (because it has not mutated into a form that could transmit between humans yet). If the other human has H1N1 and some how his germs come in contact with her, she'd incubate both viruses, and they'd manifest 3-7 days later and probably be a whole new virus entirely.

Swine flu is easier to transmit though if there's a crowd of people who are coughing and sneezing. Obviously those people coughing and sneezing would not be wearing masks to prevent the spread of their germs, but hey, I guess they're all the ones who think of Swine Flu as a "FUCKING JOKE."

H1N1 is very contagious (more than Seasonal Flu), but it is a mild virus.
H5N1 is not contagious (not transmissible between humans), but it is a SEVERE VIRUS(60% Morality Rate).
I know everyone's heard that they can merge and become a superbug and shit, but I doubt any of you knew that there was a recent surge in H5N1 (Bird Flu) which is from the above article I pasted:

Twelve new human infections have been reported since April 1-- more than the country saw in all of 2008.

Anyways lets pray that these don't merge. I'd rather have my Swine Flu become Tamiflu Resistant (merging with the Seasonal Flu of the Southern Hemisphere), than having a 60% morality rate (through a merging with H5N1 Avian Flu).

Edit: Although I don't justify Egyptian's slaughtering 400,000 pigs, because they think they can catch the disease from healthy pigs in their nation that have had no contact with the Canadian or Mexican pigs, I can see what they're trying to say is that, they don't want the Swine Flu cases to manifest when they're dealing with the recent Avian Flu case surge in their country.

Egyptians already hate pigs because of their religion, so maybe they're just even more close to taboo to even be alive now. Just look at the Asians who killed the 30 million birds.

[Seraph]

Egyptian girl 4, dies of bird flu virus

Yes, it could happen.

Yes, everything you just said was complete speculation.

Yes, generally when flu strains merge they exchange potency for transferability, and vice versa.

Yes, you should start buying foil in bulk now.


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But in all seriousness, I think you have a slightly unhealthy obsession with this whole thing. I would be more worried about the flu merging with Ebola.

[Vajra]

Here's a little story that might make you more concerned about H1N1, read at your own discretion because it ain't pretty:

Battle with swine flu: 'I thought I would die'

I doubt any of you people who feel that it's still a joke after reading that, are only saying that because it's not affecting you.....








yet !

[Seraph]

Here's a little story that might make you more concerned about H1N1, read at your own discretion because it ain't pretty:

Battle with swine flu: 'I thought I would die'

I doubt any of you people who feel that it's still a joke after reading that, are only saying that because it's not affecting you.....


yet !

Santini Gale had had bronchitis before and thought he might be coming down with it again. So he went to a walk-in clinic at Six Points Plaza in Etobicoke, where he says he was sent away with a seven-day supply of antibiotics.

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His symptoms worsened to include dizziness, nausea and fever. The pain in his chest grew and he was hit with a severe headache.

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"I didn't eat. All I did was sleep for two days," he said.

One night his sheets were so drenched with sweat that they had to be changed three times.

When, on May 6, he finally did go to Etobicoke General Hospital – part of the William Osler Health Centre – he was feeling so cold that he had to wrap himself in several layers of clothes.

"If I didn't make it to hospital, I thought I would die. I thought I would go to sleep and never wake up, it was that bad," he said.

"I was going from cold to hot. I was vomiting and disoriented."

The hospital treated him for dehydration, and even gave him a spinal tap and a test for meningitis. He was put on the antiviral drug Tamiflu and given more antibiotics. For the pain – severe headaches, chest pain and general body aches – he got morphine.

After two nights in intensive care, he was sent home on May 8.

Two days later, Toronto public health called and informed him he had the notorious swine flu.

"It was the worst flu I've ever had in my life," he said yesterday. "I couldn't move. I felt like I was going to die, I could hardly breathe."



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So, the guy had fucking flu symptoms, and is a fucking pussy. If he was dehydrated, he wasn't drinking enough fluids, which explain most of his symptoms. Even if he was throwing it up, he should have been drinking and eating afterward, which it ways he wasn't doing. If mommy is still taking care of him at 27, I don't know what to say. Let's not even mention he had bronchitis before this, and it might have helped make the symptoms worse.

You blow this so way out of proportion.

[Vekta]

So swine flu wasnt enough for tho one man bullshit terminal now hes onto bird flu. What next? Find something else to be paranoid about fuck.

[thestalkmore]

Vajra would you seriously go jump off of a fucking cliff?

I've had flu symptoms worse than that pussy on more than one occasion.

[Shiroikage]

I've had worse symptoms than that after a lamp fell on my dick.

[Seraph]

Vajra would you seriously go jump off of a fucking cliff?

I've had flu symptoms worse than that pussy on more than one occasion.

I've had hangover symptoms worse than that pussy on more than one occasion!

[Vekta]

So..got any other flu for us to run around in a blind panic over? hows about some Shark Flu? Maybe Sheep Flu...oh oh i know Moron Flu, and im sorry you have that already and are beyond salvation

[kuronosan]

Here's a little story that might make you more concerned about H1N1, read at your own discretion because it ain't pretty:

Battle with swine flu: 'I thought I would die'

I doubt any of you people who feel that it's still a joke after reading that, are only saying that because it's not affecting you.....

yet !

God damn it you are such a fucking tool. That guy clearly wasn't taking care of himself properly when he exhibited the symptoms.

You are such a fucking moron it makes me glad I get to make an ass out of myself just to tell you so.

God damn it man, just quit fucking talking. You make my hysterical non-sequitr points look cohesive.

[Kuya]

Jamaica is a horrible place.

[Vajra]

HAHAHA, I went to go watch Leno/Fallon while eating ice cream, and I come back and walk into a hot furnace of flaming tough men who can take any illness thrown at them, and act like Gods of Healthiness.

All of you who are flaming me over the article act like I wrote it. You cant blame the guy who was experiencing it. When you have ANY flu you undertake a lack of appetite. He went to the clinic the first time, and they gave him ANTIBIOTICS for flu-like symptoms, they sent him home with those, and then when he went back a second time, they give him cough syrup wtf?

Obviously you can only blame Canada's Health care for their horrible clinic's response in handling this case of the Swine Flu. If you were in this situation you'd be begging for mercy, and then regretting making fun of his story.

Cold-Hearted really, I mean there is actually a choice that you have, u don't have to CLICK and READ the articles. Apparently you guys are still stuck in that "SWINE FLU IS A FUCKING JOKE, GO JUMP OFF A CLIFF IF INSTEAD OF POSTING ANY SHIT ON IT PRS" Attitude. How bout you fags go jump off a cliff (especially Vekta who i know the most), instead of spewing your negative responses all over every swine flu story...

You guys obviously are interested in hearing news about it, or you wouldn't respond with the same shit everytime lol. Why else would u occasionally check the thread all day to read every post I make, only to respond in negatives?

P.S. If you can't have a decent discussion on the news without acting ignorant, then you obviously don't need to respond. It's just that the flamers have a thirst to up their post count by posting their ignorance, without actually adding intellect to the thread. Most of the flaming posts I'm reading have negatives outweighing the positives, sounding like a bunch of uncivilized human beings.

[Kuya]

For the same reason you use a magnifying glass on an ant.

[kuronosan]

HAHAHA, I went to go watch Leno/Fallon while eating ice cream, and I come back and walk into a hot furnace of flaming tough men who can take any illness thrown at them, and act like Gods of Healthiness.

All of you who are flaming me over the article act like I wrote it. You cant blame the guy who was experiencing it. When you have ANY flu you undertake a lack of appetite. He went to the clinic the first time, and they gave him ANTIBIOTICS for flu-like symptoms, they sent him home with those, and then when he went back a second time, they give him cough syrup wtf?

Obviously you can only blame Canada's Health care for their horrible clinic's response in handling this case of the Swine Flu. If you were in this situation you'd be begging for mercy, and then regretting making fun of his story.

Cold-Hearted really, I mean there is actually a choice that you have, u don't have to CLICK and READ the articles. Apparently you guys are still stuck in that "SWINE FLU IS A FUCKING JOKE, GO JUMP OFF A CLIFF IF INSTEAD OF POSTING ANY SHIT ON IT PRS" Attitude. How bout you fags go jump off a cliff (especially Vekta who i know the most), instead of spewing your negative responses all over every swine flu story...

You guys obviously are interested in hearing news about it, or you wouldn't respond with the same shit everytime lol. Why else would u occasionally check the thread all day to read every post I make, only to respond in negatives?

P.S. If you can't have a decent discussion on the news without acting ignorant, then you obviously don't need to respond. It's just that the flamers have a thirst to up their post count by posting their ignorance, without actually adding intellect to the thread. Most of the flaming posts I'm reading have negatives outweighing the positives, sounding like a bunch of uncivilized human beings.

Holy shit I can't stand your stupidity anymore. Anyone who knows shit about viruses know that Antibiotics don't do anything to them, because Antibiotics only work on certain bacterial infections. In all likelihood they probably gave him the Antibiotics because most fucking morons think they're a cure-all for viruses and bacterial strains when they really aren't. Most severe cases of bacterial infections are antibiotic-resistant anyway (otherwise they wouldn't be severe).

Also, I've had illnesses before and dealt with people who've had the flu. When they actually listen to what they're told to do and drink fluids, and force themselves to eat, they come out just fine.

The rest of us are only begging for mercy because you won't shut the fuck up with your propaganda. I say again. Go back and learn some virology and bacteriology and then come back when you know what the fuck you're talking about. Jesus.

edit: And no, people telling you to shut the fuck up does not make them a negative nancy. It means you should just shut the fuck up and quit being emo about your responses. If you bothered to seriously shut the fuck up for the rest of the thread, I dare say it might be the only intellectual thing you would have contributed to it.

[Vajra]

Jamaica is a horrible place.

All travel resorts (even Puerto Rico), is a horrible place beyond the resorts. I used to live in the rich areas of my country, before I moved to America 17 years ago. Jamaicans are known to be outspoken people. All I'm trying to do is keep people vigilant about the H1N1 Virus, u don't have to read every update I make, and if you do, and want to respond, then try to be civilized.

[Kuya]

Usually, what helps in people taking you seriously is to actually understand what you're talking about instead of being a dumb douche. Usually.

[Vajra]

Usually, what helps in people taking you seriously is to actually understand what you're talking about instead of being a dumb douche. Usually.

I do know what I'm talking about, I'm one of the most articulate people I know, and when I get into things I read deeply into it first.

Holy shit I can't stand your stupidity anymore. Anyone who knows shit about viruses know that Antibiotics don't do anything to them, because Antibiotics only work on certain bacterial infections. In all likelihood they probably gave him the Antibiotics because most fucking morons think they're a cure-all for viruses and bacterial strains when they really aren't.

Again, blinded by ignorance you are, read this quote once, and then read it 5 more times:

He went to the clinic the first time, and they gave him ANTIBIOTICS for flu-like symptoms, they sent him home with those, and then when he went back a second time, they give him cough syrup wtf?

I already know antibiotics are for bacteria you ninnyhammer. I guess i should of made it more clear and said:

He went to the clinic the first time, and they gave him ANTIBIOTICS instead of ANTIVIRALS for flu-like symptoms, they sent him home with those, and then when he went back a second time, they give him cough syrup wtf?

I actually said in my post too that it was the clinic's fault, not the patient's, I was defending the patient the whole time, even ending that sentence in a "wtf? after the cough syrup part (which doesn't relieve flu symptoms at all).

[Vekta]

Honestly having known Vajra for quite awhile i will say he isnt smart enough to know when to just shut up. As for you wanting me to jump off a cliff Vajipoo, ill be down right after you to make sure your really gone.

[Demosthenes11]

I do know what I'm talking about, I'm one of the most articulate people I know, and when I get into things I read deeply into it first.



Again, blinded by ignorance you are, read this quote once, and then read it 5 more times:

I already know antibiotics are for bacteria you ninnyhammer. I guess i should of made it more clear and said:

I actually said in my post too that it was the clinic's fault, not the patient's, I was defending the patient the whole time, even ending that sentence in a "wtf? after the cough syrup part (which doesn't relieve flu symptoms at all).

then what was your point of your story? of course your arguments look fine and logically sound to you, but it's pretty obvious to everyone in this thread you have no idea what you are talking about. not ONE person has come forward defending your position. isn't that even a little clue?

[Vajra]

then what was your point of your story? of course your arguments look fine and logically sound to you, but it's pretty obvious to everyone in this thread you have no idea what you are talking about. not ONE person has come forward defending your position. isn't that even a little clue?

Incase you missed this post, you have a choice now of reading it or not, I'll spoiler tag it, it's my original take on the people who say "FUCKING JOKE FLU" now and CUE_CUE later.

Just coming into the thread every time there's a little update, and bringing the message of "SWINE FLU IS A FUCKING JOKE, JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP" every time, makes me wonder who is the real one that's paranoid.

All the people who are acting uncivil really, are like:

Spoiler: show

Troubled Child: "Ohh, let me turn on the TV real quick to hear any updates on the news"

News Network: "This just in: SWINE FLU CASES RISE"

Troubled Child: "LALALALALALALALAL, I CANT HEAR ANYTHING, CHANGING CHANNEL LALALALALA, WHAT A FUCKING JOKE FLU, LALALLALA"

Troubled Child: "I bet some tool is posting a constant flow of updates on BG about the 'potential danger of the FUCKING JOKE FLU, let me go BASH him and tell him how much of a FUCKING JOKE FLU this 'SWINE FLU' is."

::::2hrs Later, and a couple porn streams later::::

Troubled Child: "Ahh that was nice, got in a couple jerk offs there too, to Ms. Jenna Jameson. If only my penis wasn't so small, then I could have a real girlfriend, O damn, that Vajra guy is still posting on BG about that FUCKING JOKE FLU...!@#$%^!!!!"

::::A Couple Weeks Later::::

Troubled Child: "Oh let me call Mom back home in Texas, and tell her I want to take the plane down there since it's the fastest, I wont watch the News because all they talk about is that "FUCKING JOKE FLU."

:::Arrives at Airport::::

Troubled Child: "Huh, there's no one here hmmm...?"

Airport Security Guard: "Sir, we're closed right now, the pandemic has gotten serious, and...AHH...AHH.AHHHCHOOOOOOOOO!!!"

:::Blood & Mucous spews all over the Troubled Child's face, as the Security Guard collapses:::

:::Troubled Child sees a newspaper on the ground:::
HEADLINE the global pandemic has infected 33% of the world's population"

Troubled Child: "Dear LORD HOLY BJEEBUS, WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?! WHY DIDN'T I STAY VIGILANT"

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