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[Knyghtmayre]

its is, and your wrong. 3 str 15 att beats 1% hit rate ( at best) any day dude.

It's not 1%, it never will be 1% on any merit mobs is the point, uncapped accuracy is uncapped. With the TP set that he has now, he has pretty much the exact accuracy (-1%+) that I have if he swapped Forager's in for Cuch, and you're telling him that Cuch isn't worth it. Fuck that, Hagun DoT is horrible, Attack+15 isn't going to help at all. Any increase in hitrate will increase WS frequency which will outperform Hagun DoT by a mile.

[Gadritan]

Maybe I missed something or I'm just too stoned to think...but wouldn't increasing WS frequency increase the overall performance of hagun more so than another GKT?

Like, it seems to be a contradiction to say that increased WS frequency with another GKT would be superior to the same increase in frequency for a hagun.

Does that make any sense to anyone? lol.

Edit: And I'm not trying to start a shit storm. Just wondering if I'm pulling a stoner moment again. I'm more than well aware that I could have misunderstood or that I could be wrong.

[Max™]

its is, and your wrong. 3 str 15 att beats 1% hit rate ( at best) any day dude.

You're hitting 94% without Cuch huh... k, swap in Blitz ring. Swap to turban, etc.

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Let's say it's 500 Att and 94% Acc.

500/300 to simplify the pDif shit as 1.66~
515/300 = 1.71

100 base damage to simplify that, ignoring crits.

100 x 1.71 x 94 = 16074 over 94 hits
100 x 1.66 x 95 = 15770 over 95 hits

Would be smaller if 1 Str from Cuch gave more fStr, and even smaller if 4 Dex gave a decent crit boost.

300 Dmg increase in DoT phase over 100 Swings, those 94 hits gave enough TP for 18.8 WSes, the 95 hits for 300 less total damage gave enough TP for 19 WSes.

Let's call it 1000 Dmg per WS and say they're totally accurate WSes.

34074 DoT + WSes, Fora at 94% Acc
34770 DoT + WSes, Cuch at 95% Acc


Noted assumptions: no base damage increase from 3 Str > 4 Str, no significant crit increase from +4 Dex, 5 hits between WSes, ignored WSes, ignored flash/eva buffs/etc.

Now, to be fair, 94/5 isn't an even number, so that's "cheating" in favor of the 95/5.

If you gained any fStr from 4 Str, but not from 3 Str, it would cut the difference down more.

Let's bump it up to a larger sample and consider fStr/Crits.

Let's say 10% Crit rate before Cuchs and 11% after, 100 Dmg vs 101 Dmg, 1.71 pDif vs 1.66 pDif.

After 10,000 swings, 94% Acc, 940 Crits landed, 254,740
After 10,000 swings, 95% Acc, 1045 Crits landed, 280,060

1,446,660 + 254,740 = 1,701,400
1,411,985 + 280,060 = 1,692,045

9400/5 = 1880 WSes
9500/5 = 1900 WSes

1,701,400 + 1,888,000 = 3,589,400
1,692,045 + 1,900,000 = 3,592,045

+2600 damage difference out of 10,000 swings + WSing every 5 swings assuming Cuchs gave 1 fStr, 1% Acc, 1% Crit. A bit less assuming Cuchs only gave 1% Hit rate.

tl;dr 15 Att will give .05 pDif at best, in strict DoT that will win by a decent amount before Crits/fStr are considered, but 1% hit rate keeps that lead from being significant, and increases WS rate enough to make the point moot.

Forager's is not likely to win at 94% Acc, much less 91% Acc.

[Portcity]

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my only DD jobs, still needs a lil more work on, but i think i can still get tha job done lol

[Neosutra]

Stop using iota on war with ridill.

Get a Culcs for TP. Use PCC.

Get Dusk+1.

Use Turban.

[Zatho]

Nice work on the tattoo neo and get a perdu voulge too along with the upgrades neo mentioned.

[euph]

yeah.... ridill is just a toy now. Stop using it. Gaxe only

[Veyron]

its is, and your wrong. 3 str 15 att beats 1% hit rate ( at best) any day dude.

No. Last time I checked, Sam (Hagun) DoT wasn't anything to google your eyes over, Ws damage is though. 1% hitrate over time (+5 Acc, +4 Dex, +4 Str; Cuchu) will more than eat 15 Atk (+3 Str, +15 Atk; Foragers) for breakfast.

Edit:

Mind you, Cuchu Mantle will be 1% Acc at minimum, uncapped Acc is uncapped.

[Drex]

My gear?

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My undies are fabulous

[Tricen]

Stop using iota on war with ridill.

Get a Culcs for TP. Use PCC.

Get Dusk+1.

Use Turban.

Eh, if he replaces Iota with snipers+1/Toreaders, and gets a cuch, I think the neck is fine, assuming he has sword merrited.

[antihero]

ridill is NEVER fine

[antihero]

except as a low budget zerg weapon for drk

[Tricen]

Wish Quetz would realize that. I still see axe/axe, or axe/ridill WARs running around.

[avelle]

Wish Quetz would realize that. I still see axe/axe, or axe/ridill WARs running around.

Had a dagger/ridill warrior at birds today. He was pretty impressive with his 70% accuracy and 15% damage done.

[Kipling]

Had a dagger/ridill warrior at birds today. He was pretty impressive with his 70% accuracy and 15% damage done.

Gonna need a name!

[Arximiro]

Stop using iota on war with ridill.

Get a Culcs for TP. Use PCC.

Get Dusk+1.

Use Turban.

I'm surprised you didn't mention getting a suppa. Might as well not Dual Wield without one, unless you have to due to being a th whore when your main is Sam or something.

[Vendeen]

I'm surprised you didn't mention getting a suppa. Might as well not Dual Wield without one, unless you have to due to being a th whore when your main is Sam or something.

Woa.....nice catch there...I just assumed lol...

But yea...umm, Ridill is lolable and ridill w/o suppa = ~> gimp thread

[Neosutra]

Ridill isnt bad, and still has its places. With the right gear and support it is pretty great and will out do GAxe(and yes, there are some events you should be subbing nin for). I dont like to follow the lolRidill mentality, but it really does take alot to pull it off correctly.

And ya, dont know how I missed no Suppa.

[Gadritan]

Rid is the DRG of weapons now.

Most people fail with it, so everyone jumps on the bandwagon and says "lolrid," and talk about how fucking horrible it is etc. It's gotten way out of hand.

Truth of the matter is it's still very strong in merits. Best? Obviously not. But any war worth his salt should be able to hold his own and put up respectable numbers with it if they have the proper merits/gear to support it.

Just gets annoying to keep seeing ppl I've merited with a lot since the 2h update talk so much shit about rid when it's always their preferred weapon in merits.

Edit: wtf Neo reading my mind...

[Zatho]

People just enjoy using lol a bit too much nowadays. But yeah ridill still has some very nice uses on the hands of a good player and is by no means easy to obtain. Personally I do love my 8/8 GA merits but that's also do to the fact that I learned a while back how horrible dual wield was at a lot of HNMs. Is funny how many say loldrg yet they get ass raped by a lot of them even in mamools.