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[Starr]

Use Cuch mantle for DRG TP and WAR Gaxe and Blitz for DRG TP.

[Avinne]

Gavin, you're my WHM hero! Teehee!

[GavinBandura]

Nah. I'm about to upgrade sch af1 hat tomorrow so am thinking of using errant body + af1+1 hat. I'd ideally like a mahatma body. I also have the sch mabb body from HQ SW but without Goliard hands I really don't want to use it.

I like the idea of cuch mantle for drg tp and blitz ring. I disagree about war. As war/sam at birds with meat I am capped on accuracy, I'd rather use Charger mantle.

P.S. HI AVI

[Wolfknight]

Nah. I'm about to upgrade sch af1 hat tomorrow so am thinking of using errant body + af1+1 hat. I'd ideally like a mahatma body. I also have the sch mabb body from HQ SW but without Goliard hands I really don't want to use it.

I like the idea of cuch mantle for drg tp and blitz ring. I disagree about war. As war/sam at birds with meat I am capped on accuracy, I'd rather use Charger mantle.

P.S. HI AVI

<_<, Melee Acc Calc, Says with your gear assuming full GA merts 299 skill, 108 dex, and +26 acc, when zerkaggr is down you're only at 85% acc on birds and when up you're capped, so use cuch when it's down and charger when it's up.

[Raen Ryong]

Use Forager's over Charger's unless you're specifically using Charger for one only mob, Charger's is better than Forager's only 25% of the time typically. This is if you're looking for the +atk kind of mantles rather than Cuch's of course.

[Seraphus]

@.@ at the gear

lulz at the base STR.
imagine if you were elvaan; more STR *and* more sexy.


oh, and ifrit's bow on "to get" list? (elvaan have nifty str+2 ammo too) XD

No... just no.

The sexiest part of this pic is that they can ACTUALLY say that they have more +STR than they do STR.

[Greatguardian]

<_<? The reason you don't use it on AF is exactly that, 8 hits is the cap. Not using DA+ on a multhit that doesn't break the attacks-per-round cap is just...

Is just what?

Ok, Dancing Edge is 6 hits when /Nin. Assassin's Charge ups this to 8 hits 10% of the time, making Brutal useful 90% of the time.

Assuming all 6 hits deliver equal amounts of damage (This is Incorrect, as the first hit has an fTP bonus, and as such this will actually OVERestimate Brutal's effect on WS damage). Adding a 7th hit is a 16.6% increase in WS damage assuming all hits land.

Assuming he has 8/8 Dagger merits, his acc in WS set is 367 (Took off Delta Earring). That's about a 78% hit rate on Birds. Assuming Non-Stacked DE.

16.6% Increase, * .78 Accuracy (DA has to land to add to WS total), * .9 (Won't proc with AC up), * .05 (Chance that Brutal actually procs)
= 0.58% increase in WS damage on Birds, Un-Stacked. In reality, because the division of damage among all 6 original hits is not equal, Brutal's effect on WS damage will less than this.

If he was to stack SA and DE, you'd remove the acc penalty from the previous equation. Brutal would add less than 0.75% damage overall (Still unsure how much less as I'm not sure how big the discrepancy between the first hit and subsequent hits is). I'll leave it to Thf mains to determine how that stacks up against an extra 2DEX on a SA'd WS with a 30% Dex mod =/

[Knyghtmayre]

Is just what?

Ok, Dancing Edge is 6 hits when /Nin. Assassin's Charge ups this to 8 hits 10% of the time, making Brutal useful 90% of the time.

You didn't really even have to go on any farther than that...

[Wolfknight]

Is just what?

Ok, Dancing Edge is 6 hits when /Nin. Assassin's Charge ups this to 8 hits 10% of the time, making Brutal useful 90% of the time.

Assuming all 6 hits deliver equal amounts of damage (This is Incorrect, as the first hit has an fTP bonus, and as such this will actually OVERestimate Brutal's effect on WS damage). Adding a 7th hit is a 16.6% increase in WS damage assuming all hits land.

Assuming he has 8/8 Dagger merits, his acc in WS set is 367 (Took off Delta Earring). That's about a 78% hit rate on Birds. Assuming Non-Stacked DE.

16.6% Increase, * .78 Accuracy (DA has to land to add to WS total), * .9 (Won't proc with AC up), * .05 (Chance that Brutal actually procs)
= 0.58% increase in WS damage on Birds, Un-Stacked. In reality, because the division of damage among all 6 original hits is not equal, Brutal's effect on WS damage will less than this.

If he was to stack SA and DE, you'd remove the acc penalty from the previous equation. Brutal would add less than 0.75% damage overall (Still unsure how much less as I'm not sure how big the discrepancy between the first hit and subsequent hits is). I'll leave it to Thf mains to determine how that stacks up against an extra 2DEX on a SA'd WS with a 30% Dex mod =/

you're ignoring the 10% Triple Attack proc from non-AC which also makes brutal useless, so more like 20% of ws does nothing.

[Greatguardian]

Warrior's Belt+1's HP+3 is useful. Doesn't mean it's better than fuck-anything. Stop Penta Thrust'ing in Alky's and maybe you'll learn a thing or two about Multi-hit WS.

Edit: Damn, so I did. Okay, that just makes the point even more valid <_<

[Knyghtmayre]

That's one hell of a defense mechanism

[Greatguardian]

Share a server with Eanae for a while and you'll get one too =P. Sams Penta'ing in Alkys is a pet peeve. Point is, Brutal ain't doing shit for him on DE. That's all there is to it.

[Knyghtmayre]

For the 80% of the time that TA/AC isn't up/enforced, a 5% chance of adding at least 1 hit to DE seems like it would blow away a couple DEX and CHR. I'm not saying that you should use it when you're hitting the attacks/round cap, but 10% of tripling is random. I'd rather use Brutal while AC is down and just hope that the 10% TA@WS proc and 5% DA@WS proc don't interfere, which is improbable but will happen 0.05% of the time regardless.

[Greatguardian]

1 extra hit on a WS with so many hits in it simply isn't that much damage. Assuming he macros out Brutal for when AC is up, the numbers end up exactly the same as the ones I just posted 5 minutes ago after taking random TA procs into account. Less than 0.54% more damage unstacked, less than 0.74% stacked with SA.

In un-stacked DE, that extra 1 acc and +2 to a 30% mod is going to add more consistent results than Brutal's larger peaks. In Sneak Attack DE, there's no contest, Dex ear wins.

[Tarmo]

I never got involved with the math of FFXI but I have read others results and tests about the Brutal or Dex earring, and dex was suppose to win. And if it makes any difference, since getting X's Knife like 2.5 weeks ago, I've only been using Evisceration.

[Cream Soda]

Damn Kny, ppl been goin for your ass a lot recently

[Starr]

<_<, Melee Acc Calc, Says with your gear assuming full GA merts 299 skill, 108 dex, and +26 acc, when zerkaggr is down you're only at 85% acc on birds and when up you're capped, so use cuch when it's down and charger when it's up.

This is true, use Cuch.

[GavinBandura]

Cheers for the advice!

[Aidin]

I started working on my BRD, it has a bit more work until I'm happy with it.

Basic casting.. Ballad and stuff
http://img.durrhurr.com/images/818999Casting.jpg

Lullaby's
http://img.durrhurr.com/images/966464lullaby.jpg

Marches, I think this set needs the most work. +1 hands, cape, salvage stuff, coat, staff..
http://img.durrhurr.com/images/608219March.jpg

Utsu set!
http://img.durrhurr.com/images/110813Utsu.jpg

[Starr]

Why blocked name?