LM-17 Banned (Perma) for Hardcore EXP Qufim Island

[Plow]

As for the ban: to quote [GM] Dave, the first rule of the game is "don't be a dick."

You broke the first rule.

if that were really the case there would be like 3 people online across all servers after the bans

[McGoonagle]

if that were really the case there would be like 3 people online across all servers after the bans

Ummm... nope.

[Argettio]

Every one is a dick (no one is perfect)

But there are levels of dickery.

[zxcvbn333]

What kind of pics will prove I am telling the truth? A screenshot of the same LM-17 message that's all over bluegarter already?

Like I said previously I'm not 100% positive this is the reason because POL can't give me anymore detail than "That account was banned for excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing." The account was still under its trial period, I had done nothing on the account but level up WHM37 SMN75 BRD54 before getting banned. The only HNMs I camped were Shikigami. I can assume the only way this account had complaints registered against it was through EXP in Qufim Island. A GM never warned me about anything. This ban could be a temporary ban, could be permanent, could just be on during their investigation (from what I've read)

screenshot here

[nekura]

I think people are assuming you found this out via their web chat feature in which case you'd be able to screenshot the reason they gave.

[Kimiko]

What kind of pics will prove I am telling the truth? A screenshot of the same LM-17 message that's all over bluegarter already?

Like I said previously I'm not 100% positive this is the reason because POL can't give me anymore detail than "That account was banned for excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing." The account was still under its trial period, I had done nothing on the account but level up WHM37 SMN75 BRD54 before getting banned. The only HNMs I camped were Shikigami. I can assume the only way this account had complaints registered against it was through EXP in Qufim Island. A GM never warned me about anything. This ban could be a temporary ban, could be permanent, could just be on during their investigation (from what I've read)

screenshot <not here>

...right

[Tagus]

Only reason I'm responding to this is I've spent the past week solo'ing as dancer in Qufim for a samurai solo subjob. If you're destroying half the zone, solo dancers can and should go to the other half. No amount of giga or wight aggro should fucking kill you on dancer, gay-ass job or not... not to mention that non-FOV mobs are readily available. Sorry dude, you got boned... assuming you're not full of shit.

[Linktri]

They way the TOS reads is that it's OK to Astral Burn if it doesn't keep others from playing the game.

Astral Party>> This is fun.
Randomplayer>> Hey, I'm trying to farm slimes. Could you avoid pulling those?
Astral Party>> Fuck you, dispshit.
**Jailed**

[Katarzyna]

What kind of pics will prove I am telling the truth? A screenshot of the same LM-17 message that's all over bluegarter already?

Like I said previously I'm not 100% positive this is the reason because POL can't give me anymore detail than "That account was banned for excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing."

Post a screenshot saying exactly that. How hard is that?

[Tagus]

Post a screenshot saying exactly that. How hard is that?

It's pretty tough if the OP isn't telling the truth.

The more I think about this though, the more I laugh... GM Boss was like "wtf trial account with a 75? banhammerd!"

[Seraph]

It's pretty tough if the OP isn't telling the truth.

The more I think about this though, the more I laugh... GM Boss was like "wtf trial account with a 75? banhammerd!"

"Shit, these guys got more than one Beastmen Seal in under 5 minutes. Ban everyone. Delete the logs. Shut. Down. Everything."

[McGoonagle]

Only reason I'm responding to this is I've spent the past week solo'ing as dancer in Qufim for a samurai solo subjob. If you're destroying half the zone, solo dancers can and should go to the other half. No amount of giga or wight aggro should fucking kill you on dancer, gay-ass job or not... not to mention that non-FOV mobs are readily available. Sorry dude, you got boned... assuming you're not full of shit.

Parties XP'ing on crabs can't handle Gigas or skellies. They hang out near the tower so they can zone if they get that sort of aggro.

[zxcvbn333]

You detectives see a screenshot of a webchat of an arial font face and claim that as proof? Unfortunately I closed the chat window yesterday, but I was emailed a transcript of the chat, here's a tidbit:

1. SEI POL Chris S: That account was banned for excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing.
2. SEI POL Chris S: That was not an appeals form.
3. SEI POL Chris S: That was a form where you believe a clerical error was made and the account was banned in complete clerical error.
4. SEI POL Chris S: It is not a second investigation or appeals process.
5. me: excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing, please elaborate on that
6. me: who in their right mind would issue a ban for that without first warning the player so perhaps I could stop
7. me: I had _NO IDEA WHATSOEVER_ that I was doing such a thing
8. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately I can not. That is all the information available on this issue.
9. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately again as stated in the terms of service, no warnings need to be given regarding that.
10. me: um
11. me: do I need to provide a real life example to help you understand my point of view?
12. me: I had no idea what I was doing was wrong (WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE SINCE YOU CANNOT TELL ME)
13. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately that would not be of any assistance to this case.
14. SEI POL Chris S: Again I do apologize, but these accounts are to remain banned.
15. SEI POL Chris S: Are there any other issues I can assist you with right now?
16. me: so you aren't going to work to help me?
17. me: other issues? you haven't helped with the only issue, who can I contact that can give me more information about this investigation?
18. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately in this case, there is nothing that can be done, i.e. help with.
19. SEI POL Chris S: I can give you the mailing address of someone, but that would be it.
20. me: during your entire employment at Playonline information center, have you ever had a case similar to mine? where someone was banned and not given a detailed reason why?
21. me: what are the series of events that take place? person A gets banned. person A calls POL. POL tells person A they cannot help. Person A gives up?
22. SEI POL Chris S: Are there any other issues I can assist you with right now?
23. me: Yes, the mailing address and a transcript of this chat
24. SEI POL Chris S: You will have the option of saving this chat transcript once this conversation ends.
25. SEI POL Chris S: The mailing address here is 999 N Sepulveda Blvd 3rd floor, El Segundo, CA 90245.
26. SEI POL Chris S: Thank you for visiting PlayOnline Chat support! Take care and hope to see you online!
27. Thank you for visiting our PlayOnline Chat line. Take care and hope to see you online!

[Tagus]

You detectives see a screenshot of a webchat of an arial font face and claim that as proof? Unfortunately I closed the chat window yesterday, but I was emailed a transcript of the chat, here's a tidbit:

1. SEI POL Chris S: That account was banned for excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing.
2. SEI POL Chris S: That was not an appeals form.
3. SEI POL Chris S: That was a form where you believe a clerical error was made and the account was banned in complete clerical error.
4. SEI POL Chris S: It is not a second investigation or appeals process.
5. me: excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing, please elaborate on that
6. me: who in their right mind would issue a ban for that without first warning the player so perhaps I could stop
7. me: I had _NO IDEA WHATSOEVER_ that I was doing such a thing
8. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately I can not. That is all the information available on this issue.
9. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately again as stated in the terms of service, no warnings need to be given regarding that.
10. me: um
11. me: do I need to provide a real life example to help you understand my point of view?
12. me: I had no idea what I was doing was wrong (WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE SINCE YOU CANNOT TELL ME)
13. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately that would not be of any assistance to this case.
14. SEI POL Chris S: Again I do apologize, but these accounts are to remain banned.
15. SEI POL Chris S: Are there any other issues I can assist you with right now?
16. me: so you aren't going to work to help me?
17. me: other issues? you haven't helped with the only issue, who can I contact that can give me more information about this investigation?
18. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately in this case, there is nothing that can be done, i.e. help with.
19. SEI POL Chris S: I can give you the mailing address of someone, but that would be it.
20. me: during your entire employment at Playonline information center, have you ever had a case similar to mine? where someone was banned and not given a detailed reason why?
21. me: what are the series of events that take place? person A gets banned. person A calls POL. POL tells person A they cannot help. Person A gives up?
22. SEI POL Chris S: Are there any other issues I can assist you with right now?
23. me: Yes, the mailing address and a transcript of this chat
24. SEI POL Chris S: You will have the option of saving this chat transcript once this conversation ends.
25. SEI POL Chris S: The mailing address here is 999 N Sepulveda Blvd 3rd floor, El Segundo, CA 90245.
26. SEI POL Chris S: Thank you for visiting PlayOnline Chat support! Take care and hope to see you online!
27. Thank you for visiting our PlayOnline Chat line. Take care and hope to see you online!

tl;dr version:

SE: No real life analogies will be tolerated. Thank you sir and good day to you.

I'd be so pissed if a GM told me "hope to see you online" after banhammering me though.

[Ultimagi]

It is your responsibility to read the terms of service, and understand them. Ignorance does not excuse violation.

[Rikura]

Kind of cruel that they spit out
"Thank you for visiting PlayOnline Chat support! Take care and hope to see you online!" after a ban...

[Electro]

What kind of pics will prove I am telling the truth? A screenshot of the same LM-17 message that's all over bluegarter already?

Like I said previously I'm not 100% positive this is the reason because POL can't give me anymore detail than "That account was banned for excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing." The account was still under its trial period, I had done nothing on the account but level up WHM37 SMN75 BRD54 before getting banned. The only HNMs I camped were Shikigami. I can assume the only way this account had complaints registered against it was through EXP in Qufim Island. A GM never warned me about anything. This ban could be a temporary ban, could be permanent, could just be on during their investigation (from what I've read)

screenshot here

You got perma'd for listening to tool!

[Gergall]

tl;dr version:

SE: No real life analogies will be tolerated. Thank you sir and good day to you.

LMAO

[zxcvbn333]

It is your responsibility to read the terms of service, and understand them. Ignorance does not excuse violation.

This has nothing to do knowing the terms, it is about SE's interpretation of them.

[Thiefami]

lawl