LM-17 Banned (Perma) for Hardcore EXP Qufim Island

[Ultimagi]

me: who in their right mind would issue a ban for that without first warning the player so perhaps I could stop
me: I had _NO IDEA WHATSOEVER_ that I was doing such a thing

me: um
me: do I need to provide a real life example to help you understand my point of view?
me: I had no idea what I was doing was wrong (WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE SINCE YOU CANNOT TELL ME)

This is nobody's fault but your own for not knowing. It has nothing to do with Square-Enix.

[Katarzyna]

This is nobody's fault but your own for not knowing. It has nothing to do with Square-Enix.

Cue in the "SE CAN DO NO WRONG!" bandwagon.

Also, OP, you can take screenshots of e-mails by using the Print Screen button and pasting it to MSPaint. But the chat log suffices.

[Zumi]

I am surprised that nobody has got banned for SMN burns in Korroloka Tunnel yet. If you were doing it while a JP pt was there trying to exp and they GM you, that probably be instant ban.

[Cairthenn]

This has nothing to do knowing the terms, it is about SE's interpretation of them.

And clearly the only way to overturn this is to ratify an amendment to their constitution.

[Rhinox]

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.

[Rikus]

I'm gonna go out on a limb & say there is more to this story then is being reported...

[Kintups]

just go buy WoW... yah!

[Devolver]

HOPE TO SEE YOU ONLINE!

classic ending

[Yugl]

To the OP: POIDH

I don't know anyone that cares about claims made with text.

I never knew what POIDH meant, but now I think I know. That is ridiculous.

[Thorny]

Pics or it didn't happen

[Tempyst]

I am surprised that nobody has got banned for SMN burns in Korroloka Tunnel yet. If you were doing it while a JP pt was there trying to exp and they GM you, that probably be instant ban.

Yeah those JP players get all the favors from GMs and I hear they get free lollipops and if they ask a gm nicely they'll get a blah blah blah gbuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdurrrrrr

You detectives see a screenshot of a webchat of an arial font face and claim that as proof? Unfortunately I closed the chat window yesterday, but I was emailed a transcript of the chat, here's a tidbit:

1. SEI POL Chris S: That account was banned for excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing.
2. SEI POL Chris S: That was not an appeals form.
3. SEI POL Chris S: That was a form where you believe a clerical error was made and the account was banned in complete clerical error.
4. SEI POL Chris S: It is not a second investigation or appeals process.
5. me: excessively depriving other players of the chance to enjoy playing, please elaborate on that
6. me: who in their right mind would issue a ban for that without first warning the player so perhaps I could stop
7. me: I had _NO IDEA WHATSOEVER_ that I was doing such a thing
8. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately I can not. That is all the information available on this issue.
9. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately again as stated in the terms of service, no warnings need to be given regarding that.
10. me: um
11. me: do I need to provide a real life example to help you understand my point of view?
12. me: I had no idea what I was doing was wrong (WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE SINCE YOU CANNOT TELL ME)
13. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately that would not be of any assistance to this case.
14. SEI POL Chris S: Again I do apologize, but these accounts are to remain banned.
15. SEI POL Chris S: Are there any other issues I can assist you with right now?
16. me: so you aren't going to work to help me?
17. me: other issues? you haven't helped with the only issue, who can I contact that can give me more information about this investigation?
18. SEI POL Chris S: Unfortunately in this case, there is nothing that can be done, i.e. help with.
19. SEI POL Chris S: I can give you the mailing address of someone, but that would be it.
20. me: during your entire employment at Playonline information center, have you ever had a case similar to mine? where someone was banned and not given a detailed reason why?
21. me: what are the series of events that take place? person A gets banned. person A calls POL. POL tells person A they cannot help. Person A gives up?
22. SEI POL Chris S: Are there any other issues I can assist you with right now?
23. me: Yes, the mailing address and a transcript of this chat
24. SEI POL Chris S: You will have the option of saving this chat transcript once this conversation ends.
25. SEI POL Chris S: The mailing address here is 999 N Sepulveda Blvd 3rd floor, El Segundo, CA 90245.
26. SEI POL Chris S: Thank you for visiting PlayOnline Chat support! Take care and hope to see you online!
27. Thank you for visiting our PlayOnline Chat line. Take care and hope to see you online!

Getting lippy within 17 seconds of the conversation? Jeez, I can't imagine why you were banned.

[Psepha]

Consequently my other account was banned for being associated with the banned account. There were no warnings given (yes I know, even four years ago I MPKd an entire linkshell and was only given a warning), but it's the new policy of SEI/POL to ban first and never ask questions later. Thorough investigation without consulting with the suspect?

Right there in the OP, previous warning(s) on the account. This isn't a simple insta-ban to my eyes.

[Yubar]

Hey, might as well get lippy with the GM knowing you're going to get ban. Go out in a blaze of glory and keep your dignity instead of being a little bitch and never saying anything. Least that GM knows not everyone will suck his dick and knocked him down a peg.

[Mayareira]

They way the TOS reads is that it's OK to Astral Burn if it doesn't keep others from playing the game.

Astral Party>> This is fun.
Randomplayer>> Hey, I'm trying to farm slimes. Could you avoid pulling those?
Astral Party>> Fuck you, dispshit.
**Jailed**

I had a conversation w/ a GM regarding a dumbfuck moronic organism who intentionally killed our exp. mobs with his high level character just to be a fucking dick.

GM basically said there is absolutely no limitations in terms of what a player can kill. Heck, you could even classify that dumbass' actions as "grief tactics", oh well.

Either way, the OP probably got banned because he has a strike on his account previously and banned people don't generally tell the whole story.

[Greatguardian]

As far as Astralburning goes, my own party had issues with a 25Bst pulling directly off of our train. I talked to him in /t (I did some CoP with him on my alt, knew he spoke english), asked him to use a cave or something and I'd leave those sides alone. He refused to move, kept pulling our shit. Kept it up for an hour, I didn't GM him since I didn't think I had legs to stand on.

Then he throws Fluid Toss at our mobs =/. Since we were 14sync in the Smn party, it pretty much killed exp. We lose the train, still try to be civil and just start over. He brings a 75BLM from his EGLS to come Thundaga III our next train 20 minutes later. We GM her, she's jailed and thrown back to Whitegate. He comes back on 75BRD and Horde's our train, he gets 72 hour banstick.

No matter which side you're on, building bridges, staying civil, and offering compromise in the logs help a ton when talking to GMs. Also, being able to speak clear and precise English (Or other GM language) and communicate the situation properly with timestamps where appropriate helps worlds.

If you got banned for exp'ing, it's probably your own fault.

Note: I can't tell if this one or the other one is the troll thread. Disregard if I posted in the wrong one.

[Zosi]

Hey, might as well get lippy with the GM knowing you're going to get ban. Go out in a blaze of glory and keep your dignity instead of being a little bitch and never saying anything. Least that GM knows not everyone will suck his dick and knocked him down a peg.

If I were that GM, I'd be laughing my ass off at the pathetic little tard who tried to tough-talk his way out of a ban. He was the one who got "knocked down a peg", and if he thinks that he saved his dignity by being a whiny little bitch in the face of the person who has power over him, he has a strange definition of dignity. That wasn't a blaze of glory, it was a blaze of pathetic fail.

[Yubar]

If I were that GM, I'd be laughing my ass off at the pathetic little tard who tried to tough-talk his way out of a ban. He was the one who got "knocked down a peg", and if he thinks that he saved his dignity by being a whiny little bitch in the face of the person who has power over him, he has a strange definition of dignity. That wasn't a blaze of glory, it was a blaze of pathetic fail.

You act like saying nothing would have gain him any respect. Least he tried to do something. Something I can say is more honorable than someone who does nothing and says nothing, because the greatest regret anyone can do is to do nothing.

[Zosi]

You act like saying nothing would have gain him any respect. Least he tried to do something. Something I can say is more honorable than someone who does nothing and says nothing, because the greatest regret anyone can do is to do nothing.

You don't have a fucking clue what "honorable" means if you think that what that jackass did was even close to the word. As for your cliche saying, I have one for you as well. It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than open it and remove any doubt. Sometimes "doing nothing" is the honorable choice, as hard as that may be for you to comprehend.

[Tempyst]

You act like saying nothing would have gain him any respect. Least he tried to do something. Something I can say is more honorable than someone who does nothing and says nothing, because the greatest regret anyone can do is to do nothing.

Better idea: don't act like a tough guy tard and maybe the guy will budge, there's a big difference between "doing something" and "making yourself look like a moron"

But no, I agree, acting like an eight year old really shook up that gm's day as he put a big red "do not resuscitate" stamp on the account.

[Tempyst]

I guess what I'm saying is while being a giant douchebag to the assistant manager at Walmart might get you your way, that's only so you'll get the hell out of the store.