North Korea 2nd Nuke Test

[HadesChubbs]

so punish those troops by punishing someone totally unconnected to it? Sounds great bro.

if only we had the time to go find who did what. we couldn't. so instead we guestimated about where they'd be standing... with a nuke.

[Senoska]

it doesn't matter how many people the Japanese troops killed. We're not talking about troops. We're talking about the women, children, babies, etc that were killed in the bombs.


Lemme get what you're saying right..

Japanese troops killed Chinese civilians. -> Bad
Us killing Japanese civilians -> Good!

Makes sense. I get where you're coming from now.

[0ni0n]

I'm not 'taking the side of Japan' I'm saying that killing hundreds of thousands of people was a bad idea when the country we bombed was TRYING to surrender. but I digress.

A city of a quarter millions at Nanking was massacred after they surrendered to the Japanese troops.

The Nanking Massacre, commonly known as the Rape of Nanking and known in Japan as the Nanjing Incident, refers to a six-week period following the capture of Nanking, then capital of the Republic of China, on December 9, 1937. International military tribunals convened at the end of World War II determined that, during this period, the Imperial Japanese Army committed atrocities such as rape, looting, arson and the execution of prisoners of war and civilians rising to the level of war crimes.

[Senoska]

Lemme know when you visit the Hiroshima peace park & museum and you tell me that shit was justified. Or better yet, watch White light/black rain
YouTube - White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nag

Watch the whole movie and tell me you could justify what we did.

[Celeste]

I am not going to get into a moral argument.

Good for you! See you in some other thread then.

Nobody is taking any side. There is no side to be had. All that remains are facts. The fact is that Japan was willing to surrender long before the atomic bombs were dropped. They dropped them anyways. Hundreds of thousands of people died painfully, and still, many of those who did not die in the initial blast, became cancer-ridden and died painfully later.

Americans should have little to no say on the matter of certain countries holding nuclear weapons. I mean, we invaded Iraq on the base that they had WMD's. The big mean evil that the US had to topple. And, we did, and there were none. And now, Iran and North Korea are developing nuclear power for their country, and weapons.

The use of nuclear weapons should not be condoned. Their development should be shunned, but in the world we live in, more terrible weapons are being developed for future wars right under our noses. Our economy is going to the shitter, and you know what's always good for the economy? War.

We're fighting wars that could have been prevented decades ago. We let North Korea get to this point. We let Osama Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein do what they did, and now, we're probably going to fight them in a war that could have been prevented. This is really disturbing to me. I'm not going to buy into the bullshit.

As a junior high student, I was so goddamn depressed when 9/11 occurred. Thousands lost their lives. And, little did I know at the time, that the very man they blamed for the attack was aided by the USA decades earlier. And, I'm not going to get into any of the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. I'm just fucking not going to. It hurts too much to think about this mass delirium we're all walking into.

I have blood on my hands, and I can't wash it off. Look at how much we've all been influenced by Japanese culture. We all love anime, and the video games that come from Japan, and look at what we did to them. How can you guys say that this bullshit is alright?

[0ni0n]

http://img2.pict.com/83/b2/57/a676b9...R4/slayers.jpg

Can you read japanese? It says that these soldiers were in a contest to see who could kill 100 people first.

[Senoska]

A city of a quarter millions at Nanking was massacred after they surrendered to the Japanese troops.

The Nanking Massacre, commonly known as the Rape of Nanking and known in Japan as the Nanjing Incident, refers to a six-week period following the capture of Nanking, then capital of the Republic of China, on December 9, 1937. International military tribunals convened at the end of World War II determined that, during this period, the Imperial Japanese Army committed atrocities such as rape, looting, arson and the execution of prisoners of war and civilians rising to the level of war crimes.

Except we killed well over a quarter of a million with the firebombing of tokyo and the nukes we dropped on their city. Guess that makes everything eve.... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT

[0ni0n]

Except we killed well over a quarter of a million with the firebombing of tokyo and the nukes we dropped on their city. Guess that makes everything eve.... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT

That was just one city, but hey don't let that get into your argument. You really think if 17million american cilivians died, we would just forget about it? Don't kid yourself. We would have probably nuked Tokyo instead of two villages.

[Senoska]

http://img2.pict.com/83/b2/57/a676b9...R4/slayers.jpg

Can you read japanese? It says that these soldiers were in a contest to see who could kill 100 people first.

Well golly gee bat man, guess that makes it okay for us to kill 300,000 people. Thanks man. I really needed this lesson in paramount logic.

[Senoska]

That was just one city, but hey don't let that get into your argument. You really think if 17million american cilivians died, we would just forget about it? Don't kid yourself. We would have probably nuked Tokyo instead of two villages.

We had already destroyed Tokyo. But it doesn't matter if 100,000,000 American babies died the second they popped out of their mother's cooch, you still have not made a convincing argument why we should commit war crimes to punish war crimes.

[0ni0n]

Well golly gee bat man, guess that makes it okay for us to kill 300,000 people. Thanks man. I really needed this lesson in paramount logic.

17,000,000 vs 300,000 I would say japan got a deal.

All that poster meant to convey is that they killed people for enjoyment.

[Rammses]

I guess it's easier to disregard civilians lives when you fight all your wars on the other side of the planet?

[HadesChubbs]

We had already destroyed Tokyo. But it doesn't matter if 100,000,000 American babies died the second they popped out of their mother's cooch, you still have not made a convincing argument why we should commit war crimes to punish war crimes.

Maybe we should have gave them a slap on the wrist? How do you deal with what they did? Say "STOPPIT PLZ"? Curious

[Senoska]

And American troops don't sign up to go shoot the 'rag heads' right?

It doesn't matter what their motivation was.

This is the point you're making, correct me if I'm wrong:

The Japanese had killed thousands of Chinese during their war offensive. However, down the line Japan had realized that they had lost the war and were ready to surrender. But rather than let them do that we should say fuck it and bomb the piss out of them just to get them back for killing the Chinese.

You don't see the problem with that logic?

[Celeste]

17,000,000 vs 300,000 I would say japan got a deal.

All that poster meant to convey is that they killed people for enjoyment.

We didn't nuke Germany for killing millions of Jewish people, did we? No, we held war tribunals. And in the case of Japan, we nuked their CIVILIANS. How the fuck can you say that's alright?

[0ni0n]

We didn't nuke Germany for killing millions of Jewish people, did we? No, we held war tribunals. And in the case of Japan, we nuked their CIVILIANS. How the fuck can you say that's alright?

If we did, you think there will be people cry for germany? I guess the 17,000,000 dead chinese and korean civilians must haven't made a impression at all.

[Senoska]

If we did, you think there will be people cry for germany?

Yes. The people of Germany didn't do anything. The Nazis did. How do you not see the difference?

[Celeste]

If we did, you think there will be people cry for germany?

Sure, there were plenty of Germans against what their MILITARY was doing. It wouldn't make it alright to punish the civilians.

[HadesChubbs]

Yes. The people of Germany didn't do anything. The Nazis did. How do you not see the difference?

A lot of the people of germany WERE the nazis... and it didnt take a full "nazi" to disrespect/harm jewish people.

[0ni0n]

If those were american civilians, there will be no sympathy. And you made it out as if nazis and germany people are black and white.

You really think if there are that many americans died, we would have sat around and tried to minimize the damage like we did with japan?