North Korea 2nd Nuke Test

[Celeste]

There's really no argument when all you guys are doing is playing internet good guys about shit that has already happened. If your morales were worth anything, you'd have an active role in the community and probably wouldn't be riding the internet high horse you're on right now.

I do have an active role in my fucking community. I protested Scientology every month for a year, and I help out at a local American Cancer Society every week. If they needed me more, I would be there every day. What the fuck do you do?

How does one completely ignore the other side of the argument (what Japan did), yet keep arguing their side, and feel it has any validity?

If you say "shame on US" for civilian killing, you should be saying the same about Japan. There was no argument to win, as you weren't arguing you were stating your feelings while ignoring facts.

Argument: Innocent Japanese civilians should not have been nuked and exposed to radiation, which lead to years of agonizing pain until their deaths. The actions of the Japanese military should not have been reflected onto Japanese civilians. German civilians were not nuked because of their military's actions which lead to the deaths of tens of millions of innocent Jewish/European civilians. Therefore, why was Japan nuked? Their actions were not on-par with their German allies.

[Kisamoo]

I do have an active role in my fucking community. I protested Scientology every month for a year, and I help out at a local American Cancer Society every week. If they needed me more, I would be there every day. What the fuck do you do?

Good for you, but the fact that you need to beat it into other people obviouslly means you're compensating for something.

[0ni0n]

You're missing the point here, my friend. I believe it is the retardation at work.

Glad to see you reduce this further into name calling.

I am not here to win an argument. That's just how I feel about the second Sino-Japanese war. All things considered, I have no sympathy for what happened to japan. If anything, all my sympathy went to the victims in korea and china, I have none to spare.

[Zilong]

Say that to the millions of dead civilians in korea and china.

Yeah, the japanese civilians that got nuked are totally responsible for that.

Why don't we just nuke a few states to even out our karma to the world from all the civilians death the american military and policy has caused over the years while we're at it? Terrorists are doing it too slowly.

[Celeste]

Good for you, but the fact that you need to beat it into other people obviouslly means you're compensating for something.

Haha, first you say that we should help out in our communities rather than ride the internet "high horse", and now I'm "beating it into other people to compensate for something".

Excuse me, but, "lolwut?"

Yeah, the japanese civilians that got nuked are totally responsible for that.

Why don't we just nuke a few states to even out our karma to the world from all the civilians death the american military and policy has caused over the years while we're at it? Terrorists are doing it too slowly.

I concur, but instead of nuclear weapons, let's hack them all to death with machetes.

[Kisamoo]

Haha, first you say that we should help out in our communities rather than ride the internet "high horse", and now I'm "beating it into other people to compensate for something".

Excuse me, but, "lolwut?"

No, I'm saying if YOUR morales were worth anything, you wouldn't be acting like a complete head-up-your-own-ass idiot. I don't pretend to be who I'm not, especially on an internet forum. To be honest, I don't even think you're a tenth of the person you say you are, but that means nothing either. I'll be honest, I don't believe civilians are innocent. If we can freely benefit from our country in times of peace, we should be able to responsibility for our countries actions in times of war. Paying taxes and democracy is all about that- but too many don't wanna take responsibility for these things.

[Rammses]

Disregarding the necessity to end the war, it's completely irrelevant what the Japanese army did in China when discussing what was done to the Japanese civilians in Hirosaki. They are not the same people. You can't hold someone responsible for being born within a certain radius of another person. It's absurd.

If you think it was a necessary evil to end the war, then fair enough, argue that. But arguing that "they deserved it", "punishment for their actions", "no sympathies" because of what the Japanese army did in China and Korea is fucking stupid. They are not the same people.

[Zilong]

All japanese look the same to onion or something

[Celeste]

I don't believe civilians are innocent. If we can freely benefit from our country in times of peace, we should be able to responsibility for our countries actions in times of war. Paying taxes and democracy is all about that- but too many don't wanna take responsibility for these things.

So, Americans should pay the price for the actions their military is taking in the Middle-East right now? You should find a local terrorist cell and help out there, you know, for civic duty. >_>

[Kuya]

No, I'm saying if YOUR morales were worth anything, you wouldn't be acting like a complete head-up-your-own-ass idiot. I don't pretend to be who I'm not, especially on an internet forum. To be honest, I don't even think you're a tenth of the person you say you are, but that means nothing either. I'll be honest, I don't believe civilians are innocent. If we can freely benefit from our country in times of peace, we should be able to responsibility for our countries actions in times of war. Paying taxes and democracy is all about that- but too many don't wanna take responsibility for these things.

I don't know man, the American people have been very insistent on not seeing 9/11 as a punishment for everything they've done to the Middle East. So that doesn't seem to be a universal rule that people want to follow when applied to them.

[Kisamoo]

So, Americans should pay the price for the actions their military is taking in the Middle-East right now? You should find a local terrorist cell and help out there, you know, for civic duty. >_>

I didn't say that, I'm just saying I wouldn't take it personally. I'm an immigrant to Canada from Laos btw.

[Izzy]

HEY GUYS HOW IS THE NORTH KOREA DISCUSSION GOING?

OH WAIT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WAR THAT HAPPENED BEFORE ALL OF US WERE EVEN BORN LOL

[Celeste]

I didn't say that.

Yes, you did. Here, let me quote it for you, to refresh your short attention span.

I'll be honest, I don't believe civilians are innocent. If we can freely benefit from our country in times of peace, we should be able to responsibility for our countries actions in times of war.

Oh, alright then. That's settled! Polish your machete, we'll see you in a few days.

HEY GUYS HOW IS THE NORTH KOREA DISCUSSION GOING?

OH WAIT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WAR THAT HAPPENED BEFORE ALL OF US WERE EVEN BORN LOL

The actions we took in the past towards Japan will be paramount in how we handle North Korea. I wonder how we'll all react towards North Korean citizens if the North Korean military launches a nuke.

[Kisamoo]

Yes, you did. Here, let me quote it for you, to refresh your short attention span.

Way to dissect my words to fit your argument.

If we can freely benefit from our country in times of peace, then we should be prepared for the price that peace has cost us. All AMERICAN peace is built on war.

Edited it to be relevant to you.

[Celeste]

Way to dissect my words to fit your argument.

If we can freely benefit from our country in times of peace, then we should be prepared for the price that peace has cost us. All peace is built on war.

Including that wouldn't have changed what you said. In fact, it still doesn't change anything. I'll add that to the quote if it makes you feel better.

[Kisamoo]

Including that wouldn't have changed what you said. In fact, it still doesn't change anything. I'll add that to the quote if it makes you feel better.

So, Americans should pay the price for the actions their military is taking in the Middle-East right now? You should find a local terrorist cell and help out there, you know, for civic duty. >_>

You already answered it for me, you just wanted to make me look bad. When civilians die you cry foul, I say well don't take it personally, it's merely retaliation for what your country has done. It sucks that you had no personal hand in it, but you still live there, so you are in part responsible because you will benefit from the actions of your country in good times and bad.

Also, we already have World War 2 here, is it really necessary to drag in the Iraq war? You might as well drag EVERY war in here and play morale high priestess for them all.

[Celeste]

You already answered it for me, you just wanted to make me look bad. When civilians die you cry foul, I say well don't take it personally, it's merely retaliation for what your country has done. It sucks that you had no personal hand in it, but you still live there, so you are in part responsible because you will benefit from the actions of your country in good times and bad.

Also, we already have World War 2 here, is it really necessary to drag in the Iraq war? You might as well drag EVERY war in here and play morale high priestess for them all.

The past doesn't matter? It defines who we are. The decisions we make today, are echoes of yesterday.

[Kisamoo]

The past doesn't matter? It defines who we are. The decisions we make today, are echoes of yesterday.

It's easy to say all of this now because we live in such a grey world, but things were black and white back then. Is it so hard for the people arguing here to accept that what was justifiable and acceptable back then doesn't apply to our new 21st century world?

Sigh. It's good that you have such strong morales but you can't apply how we think now to how the world was back then. I'm not lampooning you for being morale but

If your morales were worth anything, you'd have an active role in the community and probably wouldn't be riding the internet high horse you're on right now.

That said, I'll be back when the bombs start dropping.

[Celeste]

That said, I'll be back when the bombs start dropping.

Don't make too many mistakes, Kisamoo. They'll be there tomorrow to haunt you.

I'll see you later, thread.

[Kerberoz]

lol idealists