Dexter Season 4

[Iono]

So now my question is, were those 2 the vacation murderers? Or did they just get a bad rap? (wrap..?) They're fucked up I know, but maybe there's another killer out there? Another partner or those two just got pinned for someone else's doing in the other crimes?

[Headspace]

Syphilis makes you do crazy shit.

[Meph]

So now my question is, were those 2 the vacation murderers? Or did they just get a bad rap? (wrap..?) They're fucked up I know, but maybe there's another killer out there? Another partner or those two just got pinned for someone else's doing in the other crimes?

the bitch confessed, saying they were doing heists to afford going on a trip the bermuda or something.

and yes, syphilis is a helluva disease

[fishstix]

Would be very trippy if it was Quinn, there's the whole thing where he's a dirty cop and Dexter knows which isn't resolved yet

I do like the Batman-Gordon idea though, that Lundy's not really dead. Hope it's true, then Deb's gonna go crazy when she finds out.

[Tekoa]

One that that has me really confused, Lundy said Trinity had been all over the country, how on earth is that possible when he is a teacher, father, and husband? It really just doesn't make sense, with that kind of commitment he wouldn't be able to go anywhere unless he just... wanders around setting down?

Since we know that he is a teacher, it is possible that he has the summers off. During this time he could be going on trips with his church to various parts of the country to do work and while in each area, he repeats his ritual. I don't recall Lundy ever saying there was a time frame (time of year etc.) when each kill took place.

[Iono]

the bitch confessed, saying they were doing heists to afford going on a trip the bermuda or something.

and yes, syphilis is a helluva disease

Did the speedfreak rant about doing a heist or some? Did she confess to doing all the vacation murders crimes? How many were there anyways... enough to go around? ;x Can't remember atm...

[Meph]

well, Im kinda jumping to conclusions here. she was ranting alot when they busted her, then when they were back at the station maria and angel kinda talked among themselves and confirmed they were responsible and did it for a bermuda-trip

[Drunknmunky]

Can’t believe Lundy is dead. Why they kill him? (I know he was getting close but he didn’t had to die)

Don’t mind me it is just that Lundy would have been a great adversary for Dexter.

[Iono]

well, Im kinda jumping to conclusions here. she was ranting alot when they busted her, then when they were back at the station maria and angel kinda talked among themselves and confirmed they were responsible and did it for a bermuda-trip

Maria and Angel have no idea of knowing if there were more people involved or if they did all of them. For all we know those two they caught might have done other stupid heists.

Not trying to shoot you down, I just think it's too easy/early to be done for it being only the 5th episode. So I'm trying to think of more twists ;x

[Null]

Personally I don't see there being any more twist going with that. It amazes me that half the people I know irl didn't even know who the vacation killers were. Yes they talked about them but not in enough focus. I kept getting the "Who?" Answers when I would mention them.

[MoogleAura]

Just been catching up with this season through streams I found. The last episode I saw had Dexter following Trinity after he bludgeoned that guy to death. So Trinity has juggled his family and killing successfully for 30 years... I really don't get how he's done this so well because from what we've seen of him so far, he seems kinda sloppy to me. =/

[Headspace]

Sloppy? That nigga is meticulous

[Null]

He's done great. Putting towel's down at the bathtub, taking out the CD for the camera.

[MoogleAura]

I think it's because they don't show Trinity being as meticulous as Dexter when he kills that I feel like this. I guess the fact that Trinity leaves the body at the crime scene shows he's confident he hasn't left any trace evidence.

Dexter is always so thorough, with Trinity it just confuses me. He gets in the bath with his first victim, they didn't find any trace of anyone else in the bathtub or on her which I found odd considering that jizzed in his pants look he had when he whispered 'It's already over'.

The 2nd victim I was surprised they didn't find any signs of her hands being bound when he tied them to the steering wheel of the car. However this kill for the most part was perfect because he got her to jump of her own will. (Didn't he mark the floor or something next to her when he examined the body?)

The 3rd kill, I know it showed he had removed the dvd that records the security footage but was that just for the floor where he killed the coffee guy? I'm going to go with he's smart enough to make sure none of the cameras caught him in the building or driving out.
Maybe I'm thinking too much like Dexter now but won't the blood spatters from this guy be able to tell them Trinity's height from the angles of impact etc. (I know height info isn't much to go on but it's something)

[Meph]

(Didn't he mark the floor or something next to her when he examined the body?)

yeah I also reacted to this since he took of his gloves, licked his finger to get the gravel in the jar to stick (my first thought was ashes of a dead parent) and then smear it on the ground meaning he would plant his DNA beside the body, and noone cought it (I was hoping dex would see it when they were throwing dummmies)

[Ivve]

I think it's because they don't show Trinity being as meticulous as Dexter when he kills that I feel like this. I guess the fact that Trinity leaves the body at the crime scene shows he's confident he hasn't left any trace evidence.

Dexter is always so thorough, with Trinity it just confuses me. He gets in the bath with his first victim, they didn't find any trace of anyone else in the bathtub or on her which I found odd considering that jizzed in his pants look he had when he whispered 'It's already over'.

The 2nd victim I was surprised they didn't find any signs of her hands being bound when he tied them to the steering wheel of the car. However this kill for the most part was perfect because he got her to jump of her own will. (Didn't he mark the floor or something next to her when he examined the body?)

The 3rd kill, I know it showed he had removed the dvd that records the security footage but was that just for the floor where he killed the coffee guy? I'm going to go with he's smart enough to make sure none of the cameras caught him in the building or driving out.
Maybe I'm thinking too much like Dexter now but won't the blood spatters from this guy be able to tell them Trinity's height from the angles of impact etc. (I know height info isn't much to go on but it's something)

First kill, I only found it surprising that there were no prints of any kind in the blood, indicating that someone else had climbed out of the bath tub. But for all we know, there might have been some that he cleaned up. There was really no reason for police to suspect that the death was not a suicide, however, so I don't think there would even be a reason for them to initially check for more evidence to indicate otherwise. If they'd gone back later at the family's request to look for something, the water would have been drained by that point and it wouldn't be particularly surprising to find skin cells or hair that didn't belong to the woman down the drain of a bath tub in a home that was over 30 years old. If she were single, she may have had a guest. Even if they found something, as far as we know, Trinity's never been arrested or convicted for anything, there's no clear motive to kill her, etc. Basically any evidence they found still wouldn't tell them much.

It didn't surprise me that they didn't find any evidence of the second victim's hands being bound. It didn't look like she struggled hard enough or long enough to create any serious bruising or really stand-out marks, and the fall might have damaged her hands/arms enough to obscure anything that was left. However, as it was set up to look like another suicide, I can't imagine them searching meticulously for evidence of foul play. Even when the question was raised, they spent all afternoon tossing those dummies off the building and ended up being completely convinced that she'd killed herself.

For the third kill at least, it's a bludgeoning. They know someone else was there just from the nature of the crime, so he didn't need to be particularly careful about not letting on that he was even present. Without any discernible motive or additional evidence, height of the attacker just doesn't tell investigators anything that would lead them specifically to Trinity over any other man his approximate height. That's not even considering the fact that his layers of protective clothing and that helmet probably added inches to his height and body size, so they'd probably be looking for a larger man. Regardless, height is a pretty useless piece of evidence on its own.

Edit: About the cameras, they said the building was still being renovated in places, and a lot of what Trinity and the security guy walked through looked unfinished. I think the guard also mentioned there are relatively few tenants in the building, so I think it's possible that the security system isn't complete either and leaves a lot of places out. They might only monitor the most active and inhabited parts of the building, so Trinity might have entered and exited through an unfinished wing. There are also a lot of parking lots that just don't have any cameras -- look at the place Deb and Lundy were shot, for instance, and that was a hotel. Some places just don't see fit to take extra security measures until something bad happens.

Tl;dr: I bet he does leave behind some trace evidence at each crime. Some of it is overlooked because the killing appears to be a suicide, and with the bludgeoning, it's not an important enough piece of information to give them a substantial lead. Not to mention that law enforcement doesn't believe these killings are connected (and half the time doesn't even realize they are killings), so they're not piecing together the information he leaves in each place, which would provide them with a lot more to go on.

[Headspace]

yeah I also reacted to this since he took of his gloves, licked his finger to get the gravel in the jar to stick (my first thought was ashes of a dead parent) and then smear it on the ground meaning he would plant his DNA beside the body, and noone cought it (I was hoping dex would see it when they were throwing dummmies)

Yes, I too was hoping Dexter had somehow gained super eyesight between seasons.

[thestalkmore]

How the fuck hasn't this pre'd yet? AHGGHHHGRHSGHSEF

[geno]

I know I keep waiting for it to pop up but its not ((

[thestalkmore]

HD just pre'd. BOOooOoOOooOOo