Couple Ordered to Stop Holding Bible Study at Home Without Permit

[Demosthenes11]

the neighbors never complained in 5 years. It was a friend of the neighbor's whose car got hit. Idk why everyone is assuming the bible study people "the bad people." There is no information given on the car damage. For all we know, it was an old man that hit it and didn't even realize it. Or someone hit it, the dude got pissed and freaked and called the cops.

But nope, damn those bible thumpers and their private study

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

And last but not least, what whiny bitches these people are that they are being asked to be considerate of their neighbors.

Yeah if that was something biblical it would sound like "Love thy neighbor." Haha....ohshi-

[Demosthenes11]

No. Birthday party and weekly Jesus juice meetings are also not the same either. Sure a cop might stop by to find out why all those cars are there, but since its not a weekly thing, the Cop probably wouldnt do shit. These prayer groups were a weekly thing, they caused traffic issues and damaged property.

Its all about Keeping the Peace.

yet both are against the law because of the way the law is written. One is not more against the lawer than the other. So therefore, the cops have to enforce both if they want these people to buy a ridiculous permit

[Dimmauk]

the neighbors never complained in 5 years. It was a friend of the neighbor's whose car got hit. Idk why everyone is assuming the bible study people "the bad people." There is no information given on the car damage. For all we know, it was an old man that hit it and didn't even realize it. Or someone hit it, the dude got pissed and freaked and called the cops.

But nope, damn those bible thumpers and their private study

Ok you are right then, its has to be the city and the Cops and the neighborhood are against God and the Bible study group.

[Penthesilea]

the neighbors never complained in 5 years. It was a friend of the neighbor's whose car got hit. Idk why everyone is assuming the bible study people "the bad people." There is no information given on the car damage. For all we know, it was an old man that hit it and didn't even realize it. Or someone hit it, the dude got pissed and freaked and called the cops.

But nope, damn those bible thumpers and their private study

I didn't read all that much of the article, but where does it say that there's never been a complaint? Quit making up this "no complaint in 5 years" fact like it's "15 cars every day" fact.

[Ziero]

Actually, it was an apartment complex.

No, it wasn't. There is a video of the HOUSE. It had a Driveway that could fit at LEAST 3 cars. As well as space DIRECTLY in front of the house for two more. There is even a PARKING LOT about 30' from the house where the incident involving the fender bender ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

The guy is a pastor bringing his work home, moron.

How many small mom and pop restaurants have 15 people there at a time? I'll open a restaurant and call it a 'dinner between friends' every time someone comes over. Sounds great.

A CHURCH IS NOT A BUSINESS.

This.

The only reason people are saying lolChristians is cause they are the ones playing this like its a religious persecution. I'd have the same reaction if it was girl scouts.

The only reason this involves lolChristians is because THE ORIGINAL CEASE AND DESIST ORDER SPECIFICALLY CITED THEM FOR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES.

Nail on the head. If they would have just kept quiet about it they probably would have been better off. Instead THEY tried to make this in a religious issue.

It became a religious issue because the papers they were served SPECIFICALLY CITED RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES.

Drive down a residential area in the city around 7ish when people are home for dinner. Add 15 cars.

Of course it's all perspective. If it's a neighborhood with 2 car garages and 2 car driveways then no 15 cars isn't shit.

If it's a city block in Boston where people are already parking 2 blocks or more from their house fuck yes it exceeds capacity.

In this case it was an apartment complex, where they make just enough spaces for one car per unit with extra guest spaces and maybe some to sell to 2 car households. Extremely limited parking situation.

Then 15+ cars leaving that area at once? That's rush hour traffic at an abnormal time.

1) It's NOT 15 Cars. It's 15 PEOPLE. 2) It's NOT an Apartment Complex. It's a private home on a DEAD END street. Stop making up crap.

That's something we'll have to ask the city then isn't it? I tried looking at the county ordinance but that shit reads like the EULA for the Large Hadron Collider.

But you're right, we're arguing on details none of us can confirm. Was it 15 cars? Was 15 people the correct amount or was it lowered for dramatic effect. Maybe it was 15 cars and 30 people?

I'm under the assumption that just like a business can't be run out of a residential unit without a permit from the city, the same goes with a religious assembly. But because of legal wording and the tax-exempt status of the church it is probably outlined differently because of the nature of the two.

This, of course, is the best guess I can come up with. I highly doubt an atheist government organization specifically targeted the rights of the religious majority. How many people in the court system and county zoning staff are christian? I'll wager more than not.

So this "christians unfairly targeted" BS doesn't fly here, sorry.

It was 15 PEOPLE, not cars, according to every available source. And a Bible Study IS NOT A BUSINESS. It is something he is doing with FRIENDS for LEISURE. Just because he likes his job enough to take it home and do it for fun doesn't mean it should be treated like it's a fully functioning for-profit en devour. He's not preaching to them to get paid, they're ALL there to TALK about the damn book *together*. And while you're "guessing", the FACTS show that the original surveyor specifically questioned them on the details of the religious actions they were involved in and the original citation SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED Religious Gatherings as the issue.

Property was damaged and neighbors were complaining, how is this not disruptive?

ONE car in FIVE years was involved in a fender bender, and the person that was hit didn't even LIVE IN THAT AREA, while no other complaints have been filed. How is that disruptive?

Holy crap you people like to pull a lot of garbage from your asses.

[Howard Roark]

Crazy bible studies always disrupting the peace. Look at them in their damn cars driving over to his house, who do they think they are?

I think christians should be tagged and marked like pigeons or any other large migrating populations

similarly their cars should have some kind of license plate marking the way off-duty emergency services workers do (at least in Canada) something easy to remember

666 GHJY
666 AAAA etc

[Ziero]

I didn't read all that much of the article, but where does it say that there's never been a complaint? Quit making up this "no complaint in 5 years" fact like it's "15 cars every day" fact.

Because not ONCE has it been mentioned any where or in any way shape or form that there have been previous complaints. If there was you would have heard about it.

[Howard Roark]

have you even read the thread?

[Dimmauk]

No, it wasn't. There is a video of the HOUSE. It had a Driveway that could fit at LEAST 3 cars. As well as space DIRECTLY in front of the house for two more. There is even a PARKING LOT about 30' from the house where the incident involving the fender bender ACTUALLY HAPPENED.




A CHURCH IS NOT A BUSINESS.



The only reason this involves lolChristians is because THE ORIGINAL CEASE AND DESIST ORDER SPECIFICALLY CITED THEM FOR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES.



It became a religious issue because the papers they were served SPECIFICALLY CITED RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES.



1) It's NOT 15 Cars. It's 15 PEOPLE. 2) It's NOT an Apartment Complex. It's a private home on a DEAD END street. Stop making up crap.



It was 15 PEOPLE, not cars, according to every available source. And a Bible Study IS NOT A BUSINESS. It is something he is doing with FRIENDS for LEISURE. Just because he likes his job enough to take it home and do it for fun doesn't mean it should be treated like it's a fully functioning for-profit en devour. He's not preaching to them to get paid, they're ALL there to TALK about the damn book *together*. And while you're "guessing", the FACTS show that the original surveyor specifically questioned them on the details of the religious actions they were involved in and the original citation SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED Religious Gatherings as the issue.



ONE car in FIVE years was involved in a fender bender, and the person that was hit didn't even LIVE IN THAT AREA, while no other complaints have been filed. How is that disruptive?

Holy crap you people like to pull a lot of garbage from your asses.

So...what you are saying is that the City and the Cops are being dicks cause they hate religion? I'm sure Obama had something to do with this somehow too.

[Penthesilea]

Because not ONCE has it been mentioned any where or in any way shape or form that there have been previous complaints. If there was you would have heard about it.

And not once did it mention in anyway how MANY CARS were there, just people. Telling us to quit making assumptions when you make assumptions that there haven't been complaints (formal or otherwise) is exactly the same.

[Norellicus]

Property was damaged and neighbors were complaining, how is this not disruptive?

How many times does it have to be said, if disruption of the peace was the problem, WHY IS THAT NOT ON THE VIOLATION

[Demosthenes11]

Ok you are right then, its has to be the city and the Cops and the neighborhood are against God and the Bible study group.

I think it was already stated in this thread to stop trolling or infractions will be handed out; it's pretty damn annoying already.

I personally think it was just a few cops that got an ego trip and decided they wanted to piss in these people's cereal. I don't think it has anything to do with religion, although the citation and the questions asked by the officers make a pretty good case for it

[Furtwangler]

From the wording of the citation it does sound like they had a specific problem with the fact it was a religious gathering hence the problem and that's why they are complaining about it.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

No, it wasn't. There is a video of the HOUSE. It had a Driveway that could fit at LEAST 3 cars. As well as space DIRECTLY in front of the house for two more. There is even a PARKING LOT about 30' from the house where the incident involving the fender bender ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

Looks like a cul-de-sac at a dead end to me.

A CHURCH IS NOT A BUSINESS.

Tell that to Benny Hinn, Rick Warren, Ted Haggard, Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham.....

1) It's NOT 15 Cars. It's 15 PEOPLE. 2) It's NOT an Apartment Complex. It's a private home on a DEAD END street. Stop making up crap.



It was 15 PEOPLE, not cars, according to every available source. And a Bible Study IS NOT A BUSINESS. It is something he is doing with FRIENDS for LEISURE. Just because he likes his job enough to take it home and do it for fun doesn't mean it should be treated like it's a fully functioning for-profit en devour. He's not preaching to them to get paid, they're ALL there to TALK about the damn book *together*. And while you're "guessing", the FACTS show that the original surveyor specifically questioned them on the details of the religious actions they were involved in and the original citation SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED Religious Gatherings as the issue.

No official report mentions 15 cars. The person who is complaining about the citation is saying it's only 15 people. I'm sorry that you cite Terrorist Fist Bump News Channel as credible but, you're full of shit if you're going to make this a talking point.

He also specifically said 'Good Friday'. So we're dealing with one day that he may or may not have had 15 people over. Not every other instance. "Victims" tend to embellish the facts to make them look more like a victim and less the perpetrator. Nice try though?

ONE car in FIVE years was involved in a fender bender, and the person that was hit didn't even LIVE IN THAT AREA, while no other complaints have been filed. How is that disruptive?

Holy crap you people like to pull a lot of garbage from your asses.

Yes, you do. Where does 5 years come from?

[Demosthenes11]

And not once did it mention in anyway how MANY CARS were there, just people. Telling us to quit making assumptions when you make assumptions that there haven't been complaints (formal or otherwise) is exactly the same.

I only make the assumption because the cops would have done something if there had been a complaint before if they did something now; especially in 5 years. I'll quit making that assumption though, so we'll just say "a non-neighbor was the one to make the complaint" and call it a day.

[Demosthenes11]

No official report mentions 15 cars. The person who is complaining about the citation is saying it's only 15 people. I'm sorry that you cite Terrorist Fist Bump News Channel as credible but, you're full of shit if you're going to make this a talking point.

our evidence: the story said so
your evidence: NU UH

[Ziero]

have you even read the thread?

From start to finish, every post. Which is why I'm so amazed at some of the damn near retarded things people are saying here.

So...what you are saying is that the City and the Cops are being dicks cause they hate religion? I'm sure Obama had something to do with this somehow too.

What I'm saying is that County officials are being dicks because County officials CAN be dicks. Yes, they will try and screw people over if they see a way to make money. I've seen it before, in real life, up close and personal. And the fact that they're backpedaling to try and push the focus towards "traffic issues" when they originally cited it as a religious issue just hurts their case.

And not once did it mention in anyway how MANY CARS were there, just people. Telling us to quit making assumptions when you make assumptions that there haven't been complaints (formal or otherwise) is exactly the same.

Tell ya what, they stop saying the "15 cars" crap and I'll drop the "one complaint in 5 years" bit. Since you're right, it's an assumption based on a lack of evidence. However it still leaves the fact that the house in question has a fairly large driveway of it's own, with plenty of curb space, in a low traffic area near a decent sized parking lot. On top of that, the surveyor specifically questioned them on the depths of their religious practices and the initial citation noted "Unlawful use of property" and "religious assembly" as the reasons for being issued. With ALL that information...which is all fact...where can people come up with traffic as being the problem?

I personally think it was just a few cops that got an ego trip and decided they wanted to piss in these people's cereal. I don't think it has anything to do with religion, although the citation and the questions asked by the officers make a pretty good case for it

It actually has nothing to do with the cops. The County was the one who sent the surveyor and issued the citation. Cops would have just ticketed those responsible.

Looks like a cul-de-sac at a dead end to me.

...thank you captain obvious.

Tell that to Benny Hinn, Rick Warren, Ted Haggard, Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham.....

These people are having thousands of people in their home nightly throwing money at them? Just because some dicks use religion to make money doesn't mean all religious people are filthy, lying, scamming business men.

No official report mentions 15 cars. The person who is complaining about the citation is saying it's only 15 people. I'm sorry that you cite Terrorist Fist Bump News Channel as credible but, you're full of shit if you're going to make this a talking point.

I had no idea San Diego's channel 10 News worked for fox. Oh wait....

He also specifically said 'Good Friday'. So we're dealing with one day that he may or may not have had 15 people over. Not every other instance. "Victims" tend to embellish the facts to make them look more like a victim and less the perpetrator. Nice try though?

So if it was one particularly populated holiday then that brings back the "Super Bowl" and "Birthday Party" gathering logistics into the discussion. Since Good Friday is a once a year holiday as well.

Yes, you do. Where does 5 years come from?

THE FREAKING VIDEOS REPORTING THE NEWS AND SHOWING THE SPECIFIC LOCATION WHERE EVERYTHING HAPPENED.

Welp, works done for the day, I'm out. Have fun BG!

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

our evidence: the story said so
your evidence: NU UH

The stories evidence is the complainants recollection. If I rob a bank and the police come to my house all I have to do is tell the reporter I don't remember being there and it's the truth?

You're not this stupid, please.

[Demosthenes11]

The stories evidence is the complainants recollection. If I rob a bank and the police come to my house all I have to do is tell the reporter I don't remember being there and it's the truth?

You're not this stupid, please.

only we have the complaint and the citation received sooooooooooo...

edit: BG: innocent until proven guilty...unless you are religious. then fuck you.