All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Jun. 1)

[Max™]

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[Kyte]

If I remember right, I've had a person in my party d/c before. So I guess that was caused by the entire server's connection?


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You completely missed the point, which was that just because not everyone DC'd does not rule out the possibility that it could be something on SE's end.

[Khamsin]

You completely missed the point, which was that just because not everyone DC'd does not rule out the possibility that it could be something on SE's end.

And my point was that just because some people DC'd does not rule out the possibility that it might not be something on SE's end.

I'm only playing devil's advocate here because I don't see any sound reasoning that it should be the servers versus any other issue between them and us.

[Aksannyi]

You have to admit when half the linkshell (some of which are EU, some of which are NA, some of which are JP) all R0 at the same time, and none of our connections seem to be broken or slow otherwise, it does happen to look rather like something is the matter on SE's end.

[Day]

Yeah pretty much common sense.

I doubt its a server issue, more likely a connection issue where the servers are.

[ringthree]

You have to admit when half the linkshell (some of which are EU, some of which are NA, some of which are JP) all R0 at the same time, and none of our connections seem to be broken or slow otherwise, it does happen to look rather like something is the matter on SE's end.

No, why is this so difficult to understand. You have no clue. You are just making assumptions because it is mentally convenient. What you are missing is the fact that other people are not R0. Do you think the servers pick out people randomly to R0 when it has a problem?

Just because you can connect to Google doesn't mean there couldn't be a problem in the connection between you and the FFXI servers.

The fact is that you don't know and are just using a false logical deduction.

[Day]

Don't be silly. It's a pretty obvious conclusion to draw from this that it is a problem at SE's data center or with their ISP. People that are red dotting still have their internet connection, this happens at the same time all over the world, I mean trying to say it's an individual's problem is a much much larger leap than vice versa.

Yes, it's an assumption, but a pretty damn good one, and quite frankly you really have to be kind of dense to think otherwise.

[ringthree]

Don't be silly. It's a pretty obvious conclusion to draw from this that it is a problem at SE's data center or with their ISP. People that are red dotting still have their internet connection, this happens at the same time all over the world, I mean trying to say it's an individual's problem is a much much larger leap than vice versa.

Yes, it's an assumption, but a pretty damn good one, and quite frankly you really have to be kind of dense to think otherwise.

I am not saying it's an individual's problem. It is obviously not. I am saying that there is a whole lot of tubes and stuff between you and SE's servers.

Like I said before, I may not know much about internet connectivity, but I don't think you do either.

[Day]

Well I do, I setup routers and switches for retail stores.

[ringthree]

Well I do, I setup routers and switches for retail stores.

Then I feel bad for those retail stores.

[Day]

Why is that?

[Valisk]

Day and everyone not named ringthree in this thread has been troll'd. Stop feeding, etc.

[Aksannyi]

I'm honestly supposed to believe that dozens of people are having the same exact R0 issue as me that affects nothing other that FFXI, at the exact same time as me, from all different parts of the world, different routers, different ISPs, different platforms, and is not something in some way connected to FF?

You'd be right to say that I don't really know everything about how the internet is connected, but something is obviously affecting how I and several others connect to SE (and only SE) at certain random points of the day, and it's annoying. Good for the people who don't have the issue, give them a cookie for me. Those of us who do have it would like to get a fix for it. R0ing down to 25% connection then recovering during pretty much anything that requires some effort to do is fucking bullshit, I know damn well if I R0 that far down someone is going to die. It shouldn't affect our gameplay as it has been, and if it's a problem that's affecting a portion of the playerbase while playing their game, then I'd say they need to fix it.

Edit: meh.

[The Stig]

Think of it this way, there's several "ways" to get around the internet depending on country, etc to get to your destination.

Should any of these ways "fail" then it's not the destination's fault. It's whoever is maintaining the routes to these destinations are at fault, especially if they don't divert traffic.

We can all do a tracert to SE's servers and see what we get. If you stop dead (timeout) before the destination then it is whoever that maintains these routes are at fault.

We do not directly connect to SE, that is the job of all the random stuff in cyberspace that hooks us there.

[Day]

Yes, however when people from around the globe are having connection issues to the same place, then you can logically assume that the issue is either at the destination or very close to it.

[DancingEdge]

An overworked/flooded network device will "DC" some people and not others. It's probably either the server, an internal network device which might possibly be one of many internal network devices attached to that server, or any one of the many network devices internally that may or may not be directly connected to the server, or a firewall, a proxy, or a local ISP that owns the network devices that SE connects to.

It's very unlikely that it's a local issue, or even at any of the halfway points between a user and SE.


Some of you may find this useful;

Internet Health Report

Also can't hurt to get a large group of PC using LSmates who are all DC'ing at the same time to run a tracert on qc000.pol.com as soon as they start DC'ing and compare results.


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