Final Fantasy XIV (Rapture) - E3 Conference in OP (READ BEFORE COMMENTING) (E3 Discussion: pg39+)

[dejet]

RoTZ failed and that's why every other expansion after that did.. It's no reason not to make horizontal progression, they just need to do it better this time, from the start.

how did RoTZ fail? it added like most the jobs in the game.

RoTZ added jobs and good gear, CoP added story and again some of the best gear in the game.

So i ask you, why did it fail?

[Devolver]

New MMOs need new players, not imported players.

And this being announced at a big event like E3 (well, how big it is now compared to what it was when they announced XI at E3...I think it was E3 anyway...) will be a huge banner for people tired of WoW/FFXI players past and present.

Agree, fuck importing anything. I want it a completely new experience.

[Shenrien]

It begins, the fall of the retarded side of our community, the Xbox fucktards :D :\ sorry ahead of time for anyone how's halfway decent and plays on xbox just everyone I've encountered seems like one of them people where, you give them a responsible way to act in a community and they turn around just spaz out and shit thinking they are soem sorta god.

[BRP]

Something tells me JP hired some Americans to handle PR.

EDIT: Saying RotZ failed would be going too far. It is the worst expansion, but it is a big step from the original game.

[Odin'sLaw]

hasn't E3 SE part started about now? anyone got a live feed i can check out?

[Hyan]

how did RoTZ fail? it added like most the jobs in the game.

RoTZ added jobs and good gear, CoP added story and again some of the best gear in the game.

So i ask you, why did it fail?

Too good gear is the problem. O kote, Elemental staves (below level 60 even!), E body, D ring, B haidate, kraken club... If they made them weaker from the start they could have expanded it later, and Ares body would actually beat E body.. and the mage staves from ZNM would beat the elemental ones. EDIT: Also relics, kind of. Hard to add new weapons that beat relics when they're so hard to get in the first place..

And because this was the first expansion, it kind of ruined the endgame for the jobs that could use these things already.. but other jobs such as DRG got good gear much later in CoP, so it wasn't as bad.

[Gryffes]

Because standing around in gear that's 3-5 years old thanks to horizontal progression without even a smidge of vertical progression present is a good thing, right?

It's much much better than the path WoW has taken.
There is also a huge disparity in an average geared player and a well geared player ( not even counting relics ) that I actually think that's a false argument.

The vast amount of very small upgrades accumulate over time and someone with full bestavailable in ROTZ gear would get annihilated by a non-relic current state of the game player in terms of DPS output or even tanking capability.

[Damane]

how did RoTZ fail? it added like most the jobs in the game.

RoTZ added jobs and good gear, CoP added story and again some of the best gear in the game.

So i ask you, why did it fail?

because it added some of the best gear up to date, and some of the most broken jobs / subjobs, without leaving much room to progress.

[Devolver]

It begins, the fall of the retarded side of our community, the Xbox fucktards :D

I know quite a few good people who play on Xbox, and I'm the god damn man, and I'm on Xbox

POINT BUSTERD

[Ratatapa]

hasn't E3 SE part started about now? anyone got a live feed i can check out?

Life Feed on g4 is at 2PM EST

[dejet]

And this being announced at a big event like E3 (well, how big it is now compared to what it was when they announced XI at E3...I think it was E3 anyway...) will be a huge banner for people tired of WoW/FFXI players past and present.

Agree, fuck importing anything. I want it a completely new experience.

Id be OK with it letting you keep a few items for *looks* to show what you did in FFXI but NOTHING else thats it. You want to show off that worthless relic shield!? so be it. It has 1 def and blocks .1% the time. But looks cool as fuck.
that is as far as id like to see accounts moved from 11 to 14

[Enedin]

Agree, fuck importing anything. I want it a completely new experience.

This, cept my linkshell. I don't want to miss the FUNE. It's the only reason I'm still playing too.

[Pikarya]

hasn't E3 SE part started about now? anyone got a live feed i can check out?

No.

11 PST.

[ringthree]

@people still wanting to import FFXI characters into FFXIV:

Don't play FFXIV if you're that scared to become a newbie again. The only thing being transferred from XI they said would be your Friendlist. You may have played for 4-7 years and don't want to lose your work, what if FFXIV was never revealed and FFXI shut down and you lost your work anyway?

New MMOs need new players, not imported players.

Why?

[Damane]

Why?

because 90% of the people wouldnt even touch it...

[Pikarya]

Yes, 90%. Really?

[Odin'sLaw]

No.

11 PST.

my bad though E3 was hosted in EST for some reason

[Devolver]

Yes, 90%. Really?

80% of the time, it works every time

etc etc

[Ziero]

My Elemental Staves weep.

Touche salesman. But you have a lot more items in your pack then elemental staves and you know it. A good game will feature rewards that work well in tandem or instead of previous items, and not just constantly outdating them. Find me a hardcore endgame player who only uses RoTZ era gear and I'll show you a gimp.

how did RoTZ fail? it added like most the jobs in the game.

RoTZ added jobs and good gear, CoP added story and again some of the best gear in the game.

So i ask you, why did it fail?

Because most of the RotZ endgame events were archaic and punishing, even when they were new while the gear you obtain from them is either utterly useless or so broken that there is no hopes of surpassing them without breaking the game. Take ele staves as an example. These items are so powerful for the jobs who can make use of them that no other staves in the past 5 years can replace them. Same goes for things like Byakko's pants or Adaburk. Later expansions added some great gear, but stuff that was still balanced enough that viable side-grades and even upgrades could be reasonably added without being overpowering. But RotZ threw a LOT of overpowered items into the game while putting them in the loot pools of some of the worst endgame events possible. I mean it's been 5-6 years since RoTZ came out and ground kings are still one of the biggest problems in this game.

Something tells me JP hired some Americans to handle PR.

EDIT: Saying RotZ failed would be going too far. It is the worst expansion, but it is a big step from the original game.

I think he specifically meant in terms of gear progression.

[ringthree]

because 90% of the people wouldnt even touch it...

Do I care if 90% of people don't touch it? No.

If people want a fresh start in a new game they can have it in a variety of places.

I don't know what is going to happen either way, but I just think some of the statements made in this thread are pure speculation only based on opinion.

That said, I don't think transfers will happen, but I am not sure and I am still waiting for information.