Few Kirin Questions

[Thorny]

Unless this is changed in the last year since I last fought him, this isn't correct.

In an old LS, we did it with 5-6 people and part of the strategy was to have him summon all the gods and let them de-pop.

I *think* it was simply if the cardinal gods got back to spawn point first, they'd de-pop first. Also if I remember correctly they don't assist Kirin if he's far enough away.

Ex:

If you pull Kirin to the portal, and have another person pull the gods to the opposite end, and every-one dies, the people in the portal can RR and tag kirin without the gods assisting, at which point they'll wander to their spawn point in the middle of the big room and depop.

I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly, but it's definitely doable somehow, because we did it several times, it was only way we could kill at the time with such a small group.

i'm pretty sure any way to depop them is purely a fluke :S the gods go to the appropriate corner of the room for their direction when idle, then to kirin, they don't idle at the ??? >_> possible it was changed, but they very clearly idle at kirin not the ??? which would make your sacs aggro the gods

[Leroy]

I've personally held seiryu from RR to unweakened on BLM.

If he immediately starts to cast a ga-3 when you bind hi, BLMs have this awesome shit called Stun. I hear it can stop spells, you should look into that. If it happens more than once, outrun it. If he stops to cast when he reaches casting range, if you ghost your bind you can easily outrun a ga-3 as long as he's not right on top of you.

As for Seiyu unbinding and Suzaku ungraving, if you're standing so fucking close to both of them that they can run up to you and interrupt Ni from a RDM/NIN, you probably deserve to die for being retarded. Of course, you're listing off absolute perfect teamwork for them while the rdm is some rearded fuck with his head rammed right up the bound mob's ass, in a place with a GIGANTIC kiting area, with several areas to get mobs hung up on pathing.

And yes, Dread Shriek can fuck you up, but anything can fuck you up in this game. I mean you could shank a bind and it'd be over even faster. I never said you could do it 100% of the time, I'm saying you can do it consistently, as in most of the time, or a very high success rate. People can solo seiryu, but they can still die to it, it's no different for these minis.

If you have such good gear on those accounts you bought, why don't you try it out. have you never solo'd suzaku? If so you should be able to hold him without grav long enough to get off a Bind and them run away a bit from the bound mob. And you're acting like graving suzaku is fucking hard. It's not hard to grav the pet. I can fucking bind it easy as hell on RDM. I've only done 2-3 kirins in the past months, since getting my D.chap enfeebling merits, and Ics ACC done, but at each one I've held at least 2 minis while the DDs killed the other. Haven't seen a flat out resist yet from a mini.

Why don't you go out there and actually try it, and you'll see it's actually not as hard as you make it out. It's not the easiest thing in the world, but it's easier than most of the solos I've seen and/or attempted.

[Darus Grey]

i'm pretty sure any way to depop them is purely a fluke :S the gods go to the appropriate corner of the room for their direction when idle, then to kirin, they don't idle at the ??? >_> possible it was changed, but they very clearly idle at kirin not the ??? which would make your sacs aggro the gods

If it's a fluke, it's a consistent one. I do remember them all congregating at the ??? though, so if that's not the normal behavior, I don't know how you trigger that.

[Plow]

I'm convinced the math won't allow it with 6 unless it's just saccing to pull one mini at a time. (which is definitely doable, did it once years ago when we popped while half our group was still running to sky.)

[Thorny]

I've personally held seiryu from RR to unweakened on BLM.

If he immediately starts to cast a ga-3 when you bind hi, BLMs have this awesome shit called Stun. I hear it can stop spells, you should look into that. If it happens more than once, outrun it. If he stops to cast when he reaches casting range, if you ghost your bind you can easily outrun a ga-3 as long as he's not right on top of you.

I don't care about BLM holding Seiryu, but claiming they can do it with any consistancy is bullshit.

As for Seiyu unbinding and Suzaku ungraving, if you're standing so fucking close to both of them that they can run up to you and interrupt Ni from a RDM/NIN, you probably deserve to die for being retarded. Of course, you're listing off absolute perfect teamwork for them while the rdm is some rearded fuck with his head rammed right up the bound mob's ass, in a place with a GIGANTIC kiting area, with several areas to get mobs hung up on pathing.

they both run extremely fast and your debuffs will wear at the same time once in a while

And yes, Dread Shriek can fuck you up, but anything can fuck you up in this game. I mean you could shank a bind and it'd be over even faster. I never said you could do it 100% of the time, I'm saying you can do it consistently, as in most of the time, or a very high success rate. People can solo seiryu, but they can still die to it, it's no different for these minis.

I wouldn't say it's a very high success rate, there are millions of ways you could die if luck goes poorly. Seiryu will tp once every bind essentially, and dispelling wind/dread shriek are very dangerous.

If you have such good gear on those accounts you bought, why don't you try it out. have you never solo'd suzaku?

ITT: we make groundless claims, I've had the account I'm using for over 2 years and gotten everything on it myself, the 3 names in my sig are all the same character.. and yes, I've soloed suzaku. I also post useful information and lowman strats for varying mobs on BG all the time, what the fuck have you done to earn credibility?

If so you should be able to hold him without grav long enough to get off a Bind and them run away a bit from the bound mob. And you're acting like graving suzaku is fucking hard. It's not hard to grav the pet. I can fucking bind it easy as hell on RDM. I've only done 2-3 kirins in the past months, since getting my D.chap enfeebling merits, and Ics ACC done, but at each one I've held at least 2 minis while the DDs killed the other. Haven't seen a flat out resist yet from a mini.

I was 7/10 on gravity landing on suzaku yesterday, and the only things missing from a 100% perfect bind setup are aureole(phantom tath), some m.acc earring(loq to go with enfeeb) and witch sash(p.rope, god i'm a gimp). Obviously not a gigantic sample size and could be misrepresentative, but pretty sure you're not capping stick rate. Yes, you can hold him without grav long enough to bind suzaku, but it's another risk you're taking(and what if he starts firaga while you're straight tanking him?).

Why don't you go out there and actually try it, and you'll see it's actually not as hard as you make it out. It's not the easiest thing in the world, but it's easier than most of the solos I've seen and/or attempted.

I have tried holding suzaku and seiryu before once or twice when things went poorly(not genbu, since I've never been in a situation where genbu was up and nobody could hold or kill it), I can't reliably hold them for more than a few minutes. On paper, it looks fine, but in reality dread shriek/dispel will go off, your gravities will wear at bad times, and fluke resists will rape your shit.

You can hold them in an emergency, it might buy enough time, it might not.. but it doesn't really matter how good a RDM you are if you get dread shrieked or even a badly timed DA leading to an interrupt. As I've said from the start, it's doable but not consistantly.. there are far too many uncontrollable factors that can get you killed.

You could just send me tells to whine, seeing as from the start I acknowledged it was doable with low reliability, but that'd let you avoid being anonymous and have to answer for your claims..

[Leroy]

Holding the pops is no different than doing anything else, it gets easier the more you do it.

As for there being millions of things that can go wrong and kill you? Welcome to FFXI. Hell, welcome to life.

[Thorny]

It gets easier the more you do it, it can be used in emergencies, it's somewhat unreliable and not meant for long periods of time, we agree, good? Now either lay off it or give me a reacharound christ =[ A good strategy should not involve all 4 adds being out at once though, ever XD

[Madvillain]

I didn't really read much here, but if I might make a suggestion:

If you want to kite adds, think about finding a NIN/THF with AF+1 feet and start your fight close to night. He might be able to kite for awhile and hold the adds with a full-on evasion set.

[Yugl]

COR/NIN v BRD/NIN for this. Evokers with a full SMN PT AND Pet buffs?

[Thorny]

COR/NIN v BRD/NIN for this. Evokers with a full SMN PT AND Pet buffs?

elegy was kind of helpful on adds, and didn't have cor available.. i'm sure cor works fine though as adds aren't meleeing most of the time besides suzy

[Nal]

So, can anyone confirm the possibility of depopping the mini gods and if possible elaborate ?

[Milkster]

2) I highly doubt this, but I know its possible to despawn helper monsters for other NMs and such, is it possible to despawn Kirin's pets in any way? Again I highly doubt it but never seen it tried so you never know.

Impossible. They walk to the spawnpoint, then if Kirin is alive, they assist him.

^ This. Reading r hard?

[Yugl]

^ This. Reading r hard?

It is when you spell like that.

[Milkster]

It is when you spell like that.

[Neosutra]

So, can anyone confirm the possibility of depopping the mini gods and if possible elaborate ?

They are really easy to depop:

Spoiler: show

They depop when Kirin depops