Obama: The United States is "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world"

[Elvis]

People - most people - pick and choose from religion, right? So within that context, is there a practical purpose to dismissing Jesus because of the damnation/blah blah stuff? If most people simply disregard parts they don't like...

I mean, doesn't the Bible call black people the 'Children of Ham'? (Hence, how Southerners justified keeping them as slaves.)

So there's tons of messed up stuff in these archaic books.

[Plow]

People - most people - pick and choose from religion, right? So within that context, is there a practical purpose to dismissing Jesus because of the damnation/blah blah stuff? If most people simply disregard parts they don't like...

I mean, doesn't the Bible call black people the 'Children of Ham'? (Hence, how Southerners justified keeping them as slaves.)

So there's tons of messed up stuff in these archaic books.

Clearly we should just disregard history, evidence of bad things happening in the past means bad things might happen in the future, which drives people to slaughter.

[Demosthenes11]

Actually, that isnt my arguement at all.

And jesus doesnt say he can "help you" on the path to salvation, the book says "only through him". There isnt a choice there, or a helping hand. There is "pick me or burn forever".

And no, such teachings arent justified by regurgitation of the golden rule.

If I murder people for a living, but also teach mentally challenged kids on the side, it doesnt suddently make me a great person.

And ya Plow, find the quote that I said I wanted to kill religious people? Ill be waiting.

Do you take your WWJD bracelet off when you masterbait to your own BS Plow?

a shining beacon of intelligence and reason

[greenhills]

And jesus doesnt say he can "help you" on the path to salvation, the book says "only through him". There isnt a choice there, or a helping hand. There is "pick me or burn forever".

Jesus didn't write the new testament you realize? Chances are you may have thought jesus was a cool mother fucker if you actually met him. More of a freedom fighter against archaic beliefs and imperialistic assholes.

Why doesn't St. Paul ever get any of the blame?

^

[Plow]

Jesus didn't write the new testament you realize? Chances are you may have thought jesus was a cool mother fucker if you actually met him. More of a freedom fighter against archaic beliefs and imperialistic assholes.


^

Seriously, why won't people watch that South Park?

It's 20 minutes, extremely entertaining and hilarious, and gives a point of view on things most people would never even consider.


Of course, I guess that's exactly why someone as absurdly closed minded as Neo won't watch it, I suppose.

[Neosutra]

Jesus didn't write the new testament you realize? Chances are you may have thought jesus was a cool mother fucker if you actually met him. More of a freedom fighter against archaic beliefs and imperialistic assholes.


^

First, he probably didnt even exist.

Second, I dont find anyone that tells me to drink their blood and eat their flesh to be cool.

And we are specifically talking about the supposed statements of jesus, and not the rest of the new testament (even though the new testament is even more fucked up).

[Tempyst]

a shining beacon of intelligence and reason

gotta show those religious folks who's boss, I'm a physicist bitch bow down to how much time I waste explaining my dumb beliefs to anonymous people on the internet bill hicks bill hicks jesus is hitler

[BRP]

Second, I dont find anyone that tells me to drink their blood and eat their flesh to be cool.

Bro, you are totally missing out on some crazy parties

[Tempyst]

I always wondered if a fundamentalist atheist was a possible combination of traits in a person, now I regret wondering

[Plow]

And ya Plow, find the quote that I said I wanted to kill religious people? Ill be waiting.

Find the quote where Jesus said he wanted to kill non-religious people...


Do you take your WWMarylynMansonD bracelet off when you masturbate to your own BS Neo?

[Neosutra]

I always wondered if a fundamentalist atheist was a possible combination of traits in a person, now I regret wondering

Because arguing on the internet is fundamentalism right?

I dont know many atheists that think religion is a positive thing. What is the difference if someone is just pointing out the negatives when debating their side?

Specifically which statement do you disagree with?

And lolPlow at the Marylin joke, I forgot us atheists are just doing it to rebel against our parents.

Wow.

[Plow]

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. Our insecure egos find strength in dehumanizing our fellow humans, to change our differences from trivialities to atrocities."

I could not imagine a better description of you Neo. It is absolutely flawless.

[Neosutra]

Flawless Plow-esque counter arguement as well: Provide no reason or logical statement against the person you are debating, but instead counter with an insult that doesnt even fit the situation.

You should ask what would jesus do? Light me on fire and send me to hell..

[greenhills]

First, he probably didnt even exist.

religion normally has some basis in history, someone around the time period probly was going around telling people to drive the 'legions' over cliffs and to stop the infighting, band together and just love one another. whether or not he was the product of a virgin birth.... it's silly the shit people will make up about you when you've been dead 50 years.

Second, I dont find anyone that tells me to drink their blood and eat their flesh to be cool.

once again, see the response about the crazy shit people make up when you've been dead 50 years, and they are in the middle of making an undergroud cult.

And we are specifically talking about the supposed statements of jesus, and not the rest of the new testament (even though the new testament is even more fucked up).

this is the part that confuses me about why you are even argueing, it makes me think you came from a super religious family and are just hating to hate.

[Neosutra]

What confuses you about the statement green?

And how do we decipher what was made up and what wasnt? Also remember the "accounts" of his life werent even compiled for several hundred years after, and even those supposed accounts were after his death..

[Demosthenes11]

ok I figured out what my big problem here is

you fault jesus for all of this, but it wasn't he who invented the rules of christianity. He was sent down more as a messenger of what needs to be done to get to heaven. So obviously he assumes things true when he is spreading "the word of god." So if he really believed that the only way to salvation was through him, what is wrong with him saying it? Isn't it actually pretty benevolent that he would share with the world exactly what needs to be done to be saved? He didn't make the rules here, he just wants people to be saved. When you state all these problems with religion, you start at a base point of "these things were made up." Aka, the idea of heaven and hell are bad because it strikes fear in people. But what if we assumed heaven and hell true, then wouldn't it be perfectly understandable why a lot of the language and the "words of god and jesus" are the way they are?

[Plow]

Find the quote where Jesus said he wanted to kill non-religious people...


Do you take your WWMarylynMansonD bracelet off when you masturbate to your own BS Neo?

And lolPlow at the Marylin joke, I forgot us atheists are just doing it to rebel against our parents.

Wow.

Provide no reason or logical statement against the person you are debating, but instead counter with an insult that doesnt even fit the situation.

Do you practice your absurd levels of hypocrisy in the mirror before you announce them to the world?



And, trust me, your sig applies to this situation better than you could possibly imagine, you're just too willfully ignorant to even be aware of your own behavior.

[Tempyst]

Do you practice your absurd levels of hypocrisy in the mirror before you announce them to the world?



And, trust me, your sig applies to this situation better than you could possibly imagine, you're just too willfully ignorant to even be aware of your own behavior.

Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Plow]

ok I figured out what my big problem here is

you fault jesus for all of this, but it wasn't he who invented the rules of christianity. He was sent down more as a messenger of what needs to be done to get to heaven. So obviously he assumes things true when he is spreading "the word of god." So if he really believed that the only way to salvation was through him, what is wrong with him saying it? Isn't it actually pretty benevolent that he would share with the world exactly what needs to be done to be saved? He didn't make the rules here, he just wants people to be saved. When you state all these problems with religion, you start at a base point of "these things were made up." Aka, the idea of heaven and hell are bad because it strikes fear in people. But what if we assumed heaven and hell true, then wouldn't it be perfectly understandable why a lot of the language and the "words of god and jesus" are the way they are?

You can't kill it with logic because, as becomes more and more obvious every time he talks, he

came from a super religious family and are just hating to hate.

[greenhills]

What confuses you about the statement green?

if anything i would think most of the statements said to be jesus' words are the only sane and followable things in the new testament. who can dissagree with the idea that religions shouldnt be used for financial gain and that loving your neighbor is right? besides people that just hate what jesus stands for to the religious people out there.

And how do we decipher what was made up and what wasnt? Also remember the "accounts" of his life werent even compiled for several hundred years after, and even those supposed accounts were after his death..

it is pretty easy to assume the shit about him bringing folks back from the dead, walking on water, etc are the bs that was injected into the story of a man that probly just wanted what was best for his people at the time.