Castlevania: Lords of Shadow

[Damane]

I really hope they don't mess up the sequel. This game was quite good! Also this game isn't a reboot in any respect. "Reboots" don't exist in videogames.

Now that I think about it though maybe the tail-end of the game was a bit easy. Necromancers were tough though.

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This game was missing a Death fight, a Zobek fight(as brotherhood, then as a lord of shadow), and a second-form Satan. Yeah... I wanted like 4 more boss fights at the end lol.

This game is a reboot, it totally ignores the Storyline of all the previous Castlevanias ¬.¬. I am not saying that ignoreing it is bad, its actually welcomed, new fresh air. The old storyline can be carried on on the Gameboy system!

So any word on the DLC yet? Was it allready released?

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I dont know about you, but there was a death fight near the and, the Necromancer IS death

[Riposte]

Then every Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Armored Core, Ace Combat, etc etc is a reboot. And it goes much deeper than that given how many game series have no continuity, but still share characters and setting or games that do stuff like take place hundreds of years from each other. You guys excited for the new Ace Combat reboot?! They have to make a new Final Fantasy reboot after XIII and XIV! And how about the many Castlevania games which were made with no intention of being apart of the story. So Lord of Shadows is not only storyline to ignore the Castlevania background.

We didn't and don't need a poor (movie) buzzword to describe them. Let's not be idiots and take recent advertising trends for movies seriously(and now games: Tomb Raider and Mortal Kombat - is it a wonder why these companies are so eager to use this strategy?). I would say the reboot marketing brand is also bullshit in movies(there has been maybe two times the distinction had to made and they were both comic book movies lol), but given how interchangeable storylines are in videogames it is more retarded.

On that matter Lords of Shadow is a different series(and that's for a reason irrelevant of story). A different series under the Castlevania intellectual property/franchise if it makes easier to understand.

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You only got to fight the Dracolich. It didn't directly fight the last Lord of Shadow or the one called Death. Also the Necromancers you fought were not death. They were several of them and they were given powers by Zobek it seems. This is described in their entry in the book.

[Damane]

Then every Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Armored Core, Ace Combat, etc etc is a reboot. And it goes much deeper than that given how many game series have no continuity, but still share characters and setting or games that do stuff like take place hundreds of years from each other. You guys excited for the new Ace Combat reboot?! They have to make a new Final Fantasy reboot after XIII and XIV! And how about the many Castlevania games which were made with no intention of being apart of the story. So Lord of Shadows is not only storyline to ignore the Castlevania background.

We didn't and don't need a poor (movie) buzzword to describe them. Let's not be idiots and take recent advertising trends for movies seriously(and now games: Tomb Raider and Mortal Kombat - is it a wonder why these companies are so eager to use this strategy?). I would say the reboot marketing brand is also bullshit in movies(there has been maybe two times the distinction had to made and they were both comic book movies lol), but given how interchangeable storylines are in videogames it is more retarded.

On that matter Lords of Shadow is a different series(and that's for a reason irrelevant of story). A different series under the Castlevania intellectual property/franchise if it makes easier to understand.

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You only got to fight the Dracolich. It didn't directly fight the last Lord of Shadow or the one called Death. Also the Necromancers you fought were not death. They were several of them and they were given powers by Zobek it seems. This is described in their entry in the book.

I think you totally missed the point of a reboot ¬.¬. Castlevania games had a timeline they took place in. This one begins a total new timeline, ignoreing all the previous ones, hence its a reboot of the franchise. Castlevania had continuity. Some games refer to past games even. This one not so much. The only thing that remained the same is the Vampire setting and the name Belmont (and probably Death), thats it. Totally ignores Castlevania: Lament of Innocence and the following Castlevanias. Hence for me its a reboot, that is telling the story anew from beginning and has different (yet familiar) gameplay elements.

You cant compare FF, Dragon Quest etc. with Castlevania. Each episode of them plays in a different and new world. Castlevania takes place in the same world, with an existing timeline, much like the Zelda series place in the same world with an existing timeline.

[Atreides]

in before worthless semantic argument

[Odesseiron]

in before worthless semantic argument

Lol, this.

If there are no such things as reboots in games, what is the new Devil May Cry? Or even as you said, Tomb Raider? They're certainly not sequels. They're also not remakes. What's left? A new game? Hardly. Going on what Damane said, you can't say that about the FF,DQ/ series similar to that. The design of the game is making each one different with all new characters and gameplay.

I'll somewhat agree with you on Castlevania:LoS not being that popular buzz word you hate so much. I believe Konami will continue to develop the handheld games that they already established. There is also nothing stopping them from working on this same series.

They're essentially stripping everything from the games that we've seen up until this point and starting fresh. That is no different from what Star Trek, or Batman, or whatever other franchise someone wants to bring up.

To quote wiki (lol)

The term reboot, in media dealing with serial fiction, means to discard much or even all previous continuity in the series and start anew with fresh ideas.[1] Effectively, all established fictive history is declared by the writer(s) to be null and void, or at least irrelevant to the new storyline, and the series starts over as if brand-new.[1]

Through reboots, film franchises are revamped and reinvigorated to attract new fans and stimulate economic revenue.[1] Therefore, reboots can be seen as attempts to rescue franchises which have grown "stale".[2] They can also be a "safe" project for a studio, as a reboot with an established fan base is less risky (in terms of expected profit) than an original work

Not going to bother with much more. You're obviously going to see it your way, and everyone else is wrong way that you always see it in. And think that we are insulting you. Something something about arguing on the internet and retards.

[Riposte]

You cant compare FF, Dragon Quest etc. with Castlevania.

You can. It is quite easy. In fact you could even swap the storylines and hardly notice. And what about all of the Final Fantasys with sequels(and expansions)? I suppose we can no longer compare FF to FF now.

What about Dissidia, HUH?

much like the Zelda series place in the same world with an existing timeline.

lol. Only sometimes is that evident. With the magic of interchangeable storylines I am sure they can fit anything in a timeline and it wouldn't be noticeable. (Nintendo could have just as easily sold Wind Waker as a reboot, then Twilight Princess as a reboot, and so on by removing maybe 10 lines of text and changing a handful of textures. What is to say Ocarina of Time wasn't reboot?!)

The "point" of "reboots" is to increase sales via advertisement. That wikipedia article is more damning than anything else. Take a look at what is considered(and what isn't considered) a reboot on that page. I bet if randomly one day EA started calling its games "autobiographical" it would be accepted into the canon.

If there are no such things as reboots in games, what is the new Devil May Cry? Or even as you said, Tomb Raider? They're certainly not sequels.

They are sequels. It is insane to think otherwise, but I suppose that's why I had to explain why reboots are silly(at the very least when talking about videogames). In fact this is basically the whole point.

Also all bets say DmC takes place in the same storyline as the series. However if you ask Hideki Kamiya Devil May Cry 1 is the only entry in the storyline and that DMC2, 3, and 4 are essentially a "reboot". (Consider for example Dante's inconsistent personality.) Wow, suddenly that makes a difference! If you think of Super Mario World as a reboot, isn't it a revelation?! Oh wait, it is actually Super Mario 4. (What if it was... "THE Super Mario Bros.")

[Damane]

I see there is no point in argueing with you, you missed the point again. Appearantly you dont see the differences between the FF, DQ series and Zelda, Castlevania series, considering storyline and in what world they take place. They have an OFFICIAL timeline.

[Riposte]

That can be magically changed at any moment! Sometimes not even inside a game or two, but during an interview! As was the case with Castlevania and Zelda. Games can retroactively become reboots! Maybe even stop being reboots! Amazing stuff huh? Or maybe you are drowning yourself in a puddle. Perhaps there are bigger things at "play" here than some asspull connections found in the words of NES games.

EDIT: The only reason the term reboot exists is to add "freshness" hype to something that resembles something old. It is a marketing device. When you actually think about videogames though, you will still see that such a brand is pointless, especially before when one considers games that came out before games tried to be (or be sold like) movies and developers were able to use movie advertising tactics. However it is more natural to assume first every game is a "reboot" in some way, if not in outright by throwing out whatever story the previous game told you, then by making that stuff simply not matter. They were sequels and series for the more essential reasons(the "game" part).

And I hope you can understand why it is distasteful to apply it to games. It is like talking in slogans AND it is unnatural.

EDIT: So has there been a Romeo and Juliet reboot yet? Perhaps that's the one with DiCaprio.

[Xno Kappa]

Oh look, BRP making up his own definitions again.

Definitely buying the DLC. Loved the game as it felt very complete and polished, if I have one request for the DLC is to add a better map system because it was easy as hell to get lost in some stages and/or forget where you've already been.

[Damane]

That can be magically changed at any moment! Sometimes not even inside a game or two, but during an interview! As was the case with Castlevania and Zelda. Games can retroactively become reboots! Maybe even stop being reboots! Amazing stuff huh? Or maybe you are drowning yourself in a puddle. Perhaps there are bigger things at "play" here than some asspull connections found in the words of NES games.

EDIT: The only reason the term reboot exists is to add "freshness" hype to something that resembles something old. It is a marketing device. When you actually think about videogames though, you will still see that such a brand is pointless, especially before when one considers games that came out before games tried to be (or be sold like) movies and developers were able to use movie advertising tactics. However it is more natural to assume first every game is a "reboot" in some way, if not in outright by throwing out whatever story the previous game told you, then by making that stuff simply not matter. They were sequels and series for the more essential reasons(the "game" part).

And I hope you can understand why it is distasteful to apply it to games. It is like talking in slogans AND it is unnatural.

EDIT: So has there been a Romeo and Juliet reboot yet? Perhaps that's the one with DiCaprio.

wow so much ignorance in terms of definition and official statements.

http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania_Timeline

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlev...ords_of_Shadow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reboot_%28fiction%29

and from Konami:
http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/game.do?idGame=219

so which point of reboot do you not understand yet ¬.¬?

[Kyo]

The one that doesn't fit his definition, have you niggas not learned anything yet.

[Riposte]

Wikipedia articles are the ultimate counterargument. I am defeated, you niggas. Even when said links work in my favor.

[Damane]

The one that doesn't fit his definition, have you niggas not learned anything yet.

nah I am new to his ignorance and his self definition of things that are allready defined ._.. I didnt know that so many have tried to concure his false logic!

[Atreides]

another thread shitted up according to plan!

[Riposte]

It is so very easy not to engage me. After all you noticed it was pointless very early on. Indeed it was, because you are incapable of getting any actual arguing done and I will not being talking about this further until that happens. Simply take a look at the post where you quoted a portion of my argument and followed it up with a random string of links which doesn't answer any questions. Next we can bring up "but semantics!" and "making up definitions!!" But that's okay really, you don't need to be right. (You don't even need to read what I say it seems. As if I was redefining the word reboot lol. It is also pretty telling that this mob consistently reacts so aggressively to someone who is trying to increase clarity on subjects.)

[isladar]

That's quite enough, BRP. You're quite capable of being a decent poster, so do so.

If you'd like to discuss this, please feel free to PM me. You will stop with this behavior on the boards, however.

[Insanecyclone]

DLC is out sometime this month.

[Caiyuo]

Cannot wait for this, especially after that "trailer' I guess you'd call it. Assuming it happens, vampiring it up sounds awesome.

[Cichy]

The DLC is out, I love the story line and I love how it continues in this DLC but the content wasnt worth 10bux

[Adajer]

Coming to PC August 27th. Ultimate Edition.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/23...snr=1_7_15__13

Glad I haven't played it yet.