Haste vs TP Store (Not just for SAMS)

[Reiokyu]

Nice to see the very reasons that I do not get a merit party as a monk, and repeatedly get tells of sam, war, drk, drg, (Sometimes rng) do you have it tells. Got any of that /popcorn left cream soda? Pretty interested in the gritty comparisons in this thread thus far.

[Spider-Dan]

I would have expected you to be using Obow, to be honest.

Need more skadi legs (or other esoteric gear) for 5-hit O-bow. But that's definitely my plan for the next time I parse on RNG. I lost a LOT of TP/damage to mid-shot mob death.

[Burnsy]

Nice to see the very reasons that I do not get a merit party as a monk, and repeatedly get tells of sam, war, drk, drg, (Sometimes rng) do you have it tells. Got any of that /popcorn left cream soda? Pretty interested in the gritty comparisons in this thread thus far.

No offense but the people on your server are sheep, and a well geared/played monk will keep up with any of these jobs. People that only want to ride the coat tails of SE's fad jobs/weapon resistance need to gtfo and aren't worth partying with.

Also lolibri are for toau scrubs to merit on. Needs moar real merit pts like KRT.

[FailureMidgard]

...because fTP doesn't really make a big difference on GKT WS?

Anyway, as for the parse, Failure did a good job and his SAM pretty much crushed my RNG. In all fairness, there were quite a few times I wound up with 1-2 Marches (because stuff is running around and avoiding every March means I have to pull the mob far away from DD on every WS), and at the start of the parse I was getting Prelude+Min2 from the March BRD. Because I was eating straight RATK food (blackened frog), this meant that there was a significant number of times that I missed shots/WS because I was relying on Prelude for accuracy. But that one's on me; I should have been eating pot-au-feu and asking for min2+etude from the start, as I did about halfway through the parse. I certainly don't think I would have won, but I might have beaten DRG.

In any case, I don't think it's possible to squeeze more than a few % more out of /ra RNG sans relic, so I am glad I got a better idea of what /ra RNG can really do.

I was missing 1 march a decent bit too, and had 0 marches once as well for a decent bit of time. I don't think that bard was paying too much attention to where he was standing for songs.

Would be fun to see the gear of those 3 people also, for the hell of it.

Me:
TP-
Tomoe|Pole|Lightning+1
Turban|PCC|Fowling|Brutal
Usu|Dusk|Rajas|Iota
Cuch|Swift|Byakko|Usu

WS changes -
Hissho, Shadow Gorget
Haub+1, Myochin+1
Warwolf, Usu

Was using Crab Sushi. Using Usu body for a true 5hit, fuck feather tickle.
4 Pole merits, 5 str, 5stp, 5 meditate, 5 overwhelm, 4bash, 1 shiki.

Avelle (mostly guesses, but I'd say it'll all be right but 1-2 items):
TP-
Thallaso|Pole|Tiphia
Turban|PCC|Assault|Brutal
Askar|Homam|Rajas|(Iota or Uthalam)
Cuch|Swift|Homam|Homam
WS-
Wyvern|Gorget
Heca|Heca
Warwolf|Ares|Heca

He's using Askar for the 6hit. I could be off on some of this, but I -think- that's what he uses. He has Full Ares, may use a helm on WS? Really dunno. I know he wants a better WS helm. Also, I'm not sure on Cuch/Forager's. He owns both, I'm not sure where/when he uses which atm.
He has 5 str, 8 pole, 5 jump/high jump, not sure on G2.

Both melee were fulltime Hasso on birds, though switched to Seigan if we had hate on a Wivre. And we both wish we had a 1-hit WS for that!
Anyway, I coulda done a few percent better as well!

[thomassmith]

Both if possible but if I had to chose one I would go with Store TP.

[pchan]

No offense but the people on your server are sheep, and a well geared/played monk will keep up with any of these jobs. People that only want to ride the coat tails of SE's fad jobs/weapon resistance need to gtfo and aren't worth partying with.

Also lolibri are for toau scrubs to merit on. Needs moar real merit pts like KRT.

Idk what's all this mess about sam-war-drk(lol) being better than mnk. From my experience a sam/war can keep up with mnk/nin that's about it ... When I parse salvages bosses against our SAMs, who have nice gear, I do a lot more damage. When they sub nin I do 50% more damage, I doubt /war is +50% damage though

[FailureMidgard]

I'm sorry to play devil advocate here but why go sam/war if chaos roll does only small things to your dmg. You'll then only get a boost for Double atk +5% but then it's a fact that 5% haste if far better than that. So I'm a bit confused, well actually a lot confused. Even Rng with the acc + would be better than /war if I understand good how stuff works in FF11.

When I said that, I meant a GK SAM. My Sam roll analysis was for a GK sam, still, not for a Pole sam. Pole sam doesn't get along too well with Sam roll due to needing a lucky or 11 I think it was to drop a hit.
Pole sam does benefit from attack (and of course double attack). If I had 8 pole merits and an Ace's helm, I'd be much more likely to sub dragoon and eat meat. But as it stands, I'm going to be wasting something - either keeping sushi, or dropping haste for a meat build (I could use Usu head, but meh). But since Pole sam -does- benefit from attack, I really think /war is better. Also, I hate not having a provoke in the party in general.

A /ra RNG/SAM can get TP in 22 seconds I think, I did the math for Thorny once.

Soboro /RNG is stupid.

My sam gets TP in 11.5 seconds assuming 0 DAs/tickles. With a 17% DA rate you're looking at under 10 seconds. I'm not sure the point of your 22 seconds, but that's really quite slow.

This is the first I've heard of this.


And yea DRG sub can be epic, if you have the haste gear to go along with the earring. In fact it's the only way SAM can hit the haste cap on gear.

It's meh for polearm, we need the attack badly on it (yay -50 skill). Berserk is huge for my penta damage. It's ok for GK, but I still hate not having provoke (unless someone else in the party does, but a drg sure doesnt!)

No offense but the people on your server are sheep, and a well geared/played monk will keep up with any of these jobs. People that only want to ride the coat tails of SE's fad jobs/weapon resistance need to gtfo and aren't worth partying with.

Also lolibri are for toau scrubs to merit on. Needs moar real merit pts like KRT.

I'm not sure if you're trolling/etc, but there is no way a mnk can keep up...

[Burnsy]

I'm not sure if you're trolling/etc, but there is no way a mnk can keep up...

Not trolling, stating fact (barring you using gekko @ 1% to skew the parse in your favor, like 99% of SAMs do).

Not saying MNK > SAM or any other job, but honestly, you're 87 pages of garbage math is akin to old Aurik posts. Give it up, shit's situational, and a well gear/played character can perform as well as another well geared/played character, reguardless of job, on the crap that is Greater Colibri. Now please, let this thread die, or bring in BRP if you want 5k word+ essay replies. Thx.

[Tulun]

I have been highly impressed by the merit pts I've been in with a 4/5 usukane monk (BB) who used bison steak as well.

He won on north mamools consistently against good SAMs and WARs.

... but that doesn't mean any MNK can ;P Job has potential but you need really good gear and a good player to compete...

[FailureMidgard]

I have been highly impressed by the merit pts I've been in with a 4/5 usukane monk (BB) who used bison steak as well.

He won on north mamools consistently against good SAMs and WARs.

... but that doesn't mean any MNK can ;P Job has potential but you need really good gear and a good player to compete...

Or the sams and wars aren't as good as you think they are.

[Tulun]

Or the sams and wars aren't as good as you think they are.

Good enough that we hit 25k+ per hour... all I cared about.

I blur between good and great. Definitely not great but getting perfect gear is tough

Either way.. MNK has potential. But without Usukane I don't think they have a shot in hell.

[Seedz]

4/5 Usukane BB MNK outparsing "good" SAMs and WARs tells me they weren't that good. 5/5 or there's no contest between MNK and "good" 2handers.

[pchan]

4/5 Usukane BB MNK outparsing "good" SAMs and WARs tells me they weren't that good. 5/5 or there's no contest between MNK and "good" 2handers.

Probably because you never saw a good mnk, the argument works the other way around too. And lol@ bison steak, pizza only and double march on mmj.

[Shinryuu]

4/5 Usukane is kinda bad, 5/5 or mix/march plox. If you have 4/5 Usukane and enough gil to buy any buyable, you're going to use 2 pieces in a regular merit party I'd say (body, feet). Hachiryu kote, Turban, Haidate.

Edit: yes, mix/march is the new minuet/match. Or something.

[Aevis]

4/5 usu is bad for mnks and won't stand a chance against good sam/war war/sam. better go with your oldschool gear, as you a) don't get the haste cap in 4/5 usu b) don't benefit much from the acc+ as you're fighting against mamools, which allows you to eat hedge pie, pizza w/e.

[Starr]

Maybe he means Head Body Hands Feet?

[Burnsy]

Probably because you never saw a good mnk, the argument works the other way around too. And lol@ bison steak, pizza only and double march on mmj.

I don't often agree with pchan but fucking this ^^
Tho pizza's atk+ leaves alot to be desired...

[pchan]

4/5 usu is bad for mnks and won't stand a chance against good sam/war war/sam. better go with your oldschool gear, as you a) don't get the haste cap in 4/5 usu b) don't benefit much from the acc+ as you're fighting against mamools, which allows you to eat hedge pie, pizza w/e.

Just no. For some reason I see everywhere that if you don't have full usukane 2004 gear is better which is silly. Haste cap is on thing, but you can't get the haste cap with usukane sune-ate and without full set, so what you claim basically, is getting back to .. fuma ? Losing 7 accuracy 7 attack 7 store tp ? Not using usukane body which gives you 6 store tp 8 str 16 accuracy .. come on. Usukane head is better than turban if you eat meat. Usukane legs are the best piece for asuranfists. A 4/5 usukane monk rapes a 0/5 usukane monk as far as damage go anytime anywhere capped accuracy or not.

[Fridell]

Not trolling, stating fact (barring you using gekko @ 1% to skew the parse in your favor, like 99% of SAMs do).

Yea I do this on SAM, if you notice you're about equal or a little less on parse compared to another DD, it's fun to smack away some Gekko's when mobs have little health left and mess parsing up, most people seem to do this.
Sucks I can't use it on WAR DRK & MNK unless using a crappy 1 Hit WS

[BerenTebogo]

I don't often agree with pchan but fucking this ^^
Tho pizza's atk+ leaves alot to be desired...

It really does. For my Kikoku I found that if I wasn't going to be getting the support I needed (all 2h DD pt) it was best to lose the Usukane and go full haste and eat Sushi.

Majority of the time pizza or hedgehog pie if COR was fine though.