Haste vs TP Store (Not just for SAMS)

[seiji]

Do you realize my 2hr+meditate takes ~15seconds and does over your 4k? Anyway, again, me saying I can do 4k is nowhere near an outrageous claim. I

you forgot your dusty wing for 3more WSes (as http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:...es/p-chan.jpeg said nothing about meds)

[pchan]

you forgot your dusty wing for 3more WSes (as http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:...es/p-chan.jpeg said nothing about meds)

I did say we don't use med, you guys are way to impressed by a mnk's damage.

[FailureMidgard]

Lol you deserve your name. Now someone has to fix his asuran fist macro. Concrete proof :

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/cookie-1.jpg

Jade sepulcher camp pizza, WAR WAR MNK RDM WHM BRD.


iMNK

You merit with rdm + whm? WTF...
As for your parse, it proves no more than anything I say. If we're gonna assume everyone is lying, why should we assume that you're being honest with a 1 bard party?
As for my Asuran macro...well, I have yet to find a use for it.

Could you redo your TP numbers on who gets TP faster though? I find it hilarious.

Real original on the name insult though, props to you. You're probably the first one to ever come up with that insult. I mean, I'm sure I never thought about it before I named my character that.

[pchan]

You merit with rdm + whm? WTF...
As for your parse, it proves no more than anything I say. If we're gonna assume everyone is lying, why should we assume that you're being honest with a 1 bard party?
As for my Asuran macro...well, I have yet to find a use for it.

Could you redo your TP numbers on who gets TP faster though? I find it hilarious.

Real original on the name insult though, props to you. You're probably the first one to ever come up with that insult. I mean, I'm sure I never thought about it before I named my character that.

lol now i'm lying and because I had double brd. hilarous.

Could you redo your TP numbers on who gets TP faster though? I find it hilarious.

When you post you parses

[FailureMidgard]

lol now i'm lying and because I had double brd. hilarous.

No, I actually believe you, but I'm just trying to show you how stupid you are being by doubting me.

[pchan]

You're the one saying I did SV minuet x 2 to get a 900 asuran fist.w.

[Spider-Dan]

We said we used 2H learn2read. NO med, dia2 and I gave the party setup.

I want to stay out of this argument, but as Pchan's gone to bed I'll answer these questions.

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For that specific parse which was the run before last SS run if I remember right, I'm not sure tbh. I don't think he have it merited. As for 2-hours, no one has 2-hours for SS boss. We use them on ramparts on the previous floor.

Obviously Battleclad Chariot is not SS boss, but in any case, that is the source of the confusion.

[Burnsy]

Obvious trolling in standard is awesome...
and pchan, I don't even have SAM @ 75, I'm a 75MNK, and getting 8-900 average asuran @ MMJSP/NyI Mamools is not hard. Especially when you throw puks into the mix.

Shit I can go solo Forest Hares and have "average" 900000000000000000000000000000000 asurans, and you know what, no one fucking cares, cause shit's situational. No one gives a flying fuck about how fast you kill salvage bosses/mamools/lolibri. You're digging an ever deepening hole, and go shout for salvage groups.

[pchan]

Obvious trolling in standard is awesome...
and pchan, I don't even have SAM @ 75, I'm a 75MNK, and getting 8-900 average asuran @ MMJSP/NyI Mamools is not hard. Especially when you throw puks into the mix.

Shit I can go solo Forest Hares and have "average" 900000000000000000000000000000000 asurans, and you know what, no one fucking cares, cause shit's situational. No one gives a flying fuck about how fast you kill salvage bosses/mamools/lolibri. You're digging an ever deepening hole, and go shout for salvage groups.

You're an idiot we got it. First you claim asuran fist can't possibly get close to gekko then you correct yourself, you probably heard too many horror stories about 1300 average geko, which doesn't happen.

Show me 800-1500 Asurans on any mob in the game VT+ with the equivilent of a domaru on MNK (readsode) and no bard and I'll toss my black belt and screenshot it for you, you're just talking out your ass now.

And just so you know, osode is BETTER under capped accuracy, which happens with pizza as explained above. Toss your black belt cos the MMJ parse is done with double march.

[Yugl]

Shit I can go solo Forest Hares and have "average" 900000000000000000000000000000000 asurans,

Oh ya? Prove it. Show me a parse.

[FailureMidgard]

You're the one saying I did SV minuet x 2 to get a 900 asuran fist.w.

No, I'm saying you're the kind of idiot that would stack that shit, then call it an average because it showed up that way in 1 parse. 1 parse doesn't mean dog shit for proof. The fact you're asking for me to post a single parse is fucking laughable.

Also, you still seem to miss every fucking thing I post (or you ignore the main point and pick out 1 random statement to respond to). The meds thing has nothing to do with being impressed by a monk, the entire point is unless everything is consistent across 2 different parses, comparing them is useless. Knowing what you had in 1 parse is important before you can make a comparison to another parse.

I'm not the least bit impressed by your damage, your ignorance perhaps, but not your damage. I've seen some good monks (IMO), and they still can't compete with my sam. For that matter though, I haven't really seen a sam that can compete with me either, so /shrug. Too many out there do dumb shit like use an Ace's when they are accuracy capped (or eat meat so they need an Ace's).
In any case, I have a monk (granted with worse gear than yours) and both play and the math support the idea that sam -does- do more damage.
But of course, in your little world where sam go /nin, don't have any double attack, never touch Hasso, don't have a 6-hit build, and have significantly worse gear than your perfectly geared BB mnk, I can perhaps see why you think a monk is comparable.

[Fridell]

FailureMidgard is the god among men, the math god aswell, numbers never lie, gods never lie...oh wait!

[FailureMidgard]

FailureMidgard is the god among men, the math god aswell, numbers never lie, gods never lie...oh wait!

pchan is more troll than man.

[Fridell]

Pchan is more troll then man, yes, but...in the end, what does it matter, in the great whole, this whole thread and discussion is totally pointless.

[mdkuser]

to settle this debate, next time you do zhayolm boss. just time how much you need to kill it with your two sam/war and SV troubadour'd march, and coeurl subs. I'd be interested to see if my sam sucks or not. You should have no trouble doing it under 5 minutes if sam is that better than a mnk.

[FailureMidgard]

Pchan is more troll then man, yes, but...in the end, what does it matter, in the great whole, this whole thread and discussion is totally pointless.

Nah, it keeps me entertained during the day. That's as far from pointless as forums need to be.

to settle this debate, next time you do zhayolm boss. just time how much you need to kill it with your two sam/war and SV troubadour'd march, and coeurl subs. I'd be interested to see if my sam sucks or not. You should have no trouble doing it under 5 minutes if sam is that better than a mnk.

We rarely do Zhayolm at all anymore. We've never seen a single Mori leg in probably more kills than it took Neo to get his Usu body. When we do do Zahyolm, it's a ~4ish man run, and we don't do the chariot.
Also, while I still claim I can easily do 4k on the chariot, as others and myself have said, it's a silly thing to test damage potential on. We've done speed kills before, but when we get there with 20+ min left, I play more defensively, just to be safe. I'm more interested in damage output on the rest of the run, in einherjar, etc.

[Burnsy]

You fucking make my brain hurt.

You're an idiot we got it. First you claim asuran fist can't possibly get close to gekko then you correct yourself, you probably heard too many horror stories about 1300 average geko, which doesn't happen.

Really? Here's what I said:
"800-1500 Asurans on any mob in the game VT+"

Can you Asuran ANY MOB in the game level 78 or above for 800-1500 with no buffs from a BRD and no food. No you can't, and if you try to say you can, lol, AH SAMs can, all fucking day without food/buffs/BRD. Relic/well geared Hagun SAMs do 1k in their sleep. Grats you can post a supposed parse of a supposed party where you supposedly pulled mage mamools and puks, wow, I'm real impressed dude. Can you teach me how to play MNK? (read: make fucking garbage pts that probably don't break chain 10)

Next you're gonna tell us stinging pummel hits every mob in the game for 2k.

And just so you know, osode is BETTER under capped accuracy, which happens with pizza as explained above. Toss your black belt cos the MMJ parse is done with double march.

Just lol, yes because asuran's stat mods are worth using an osode for in more than 10% of the situations we're mentioning. I'll toss my bb sure, just as soon as you post all the screenshots of logs saying "pgimp uses asuran fists. pgimp hits the mobx for 1000 damage."

[pchan]

The meds thing has nothing to do with being impressed by a monk, the entire point is unless everything is consistent across 2 different parses, comparing them is useless. Knowing what you had in 1 parse is important before you can make a comparison to another parse.

Since when do you need 2 parses to establish that you average x number on a weapon skill. If you checked it you'll see it says 273 weapon skills. More than enaugh lol.

[pchan]

Really? Here's what I said:
"800-1500 Asurans on any mob in the game VT+"

Can you Asuran ANY MOB in the game level 78 or above for 800-1500 with no buffs from a BRD and no food.

Is the question "can you do one AF" or "can you average". I'm not sure why 800+ asuran fist is supposed to be that impressive.

Grats you can post a supposed parse of a supposed party where you supposedly pulled mage mamools and puks, wow, I'm real impressed dude. Can you teach me how to play MNK? (read: make fucking garbage pts that probably don't break chain 10)

Are you implying that I only pulled puks and mage mamoolja ?

Next you're gonna tell us stinging pummel hits every mob in the game for 2k.

In theory it can, yes, which asuran fists cannot*in theory*.

Just lol, yes because asuran's stat mods are worth using an osode for in more than 10% of the situations we're mentioning. I'll toss my bb sure, just as soon as you post all the screenshots of logs saying "pgimp uses asuran fists. pgimp hits the mobx for 1000 damage."

Capped accuracy ? You're still not convince capped accuracy happens more than 10% of the time. Try punching less colibris.

[Neosutra]

This has gotten out of hand.

The point is that gekko should and will average slightly higher than asurans, and has some nice spikes when /war. Your original statement of asuran being superior to gekko was simply incorrect, move past it.