Next Version Update Scheduled for Late July! (06/08/2009)

[TummieGaruda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rionel
I like Homam a lot because of the mix of ACC it gives with Haste, which is why I wished DNC could wear it >-<. Although they have 2 Accuracy Bonus Traits to make up for their B+ Dagger skill, I still wish that DNC could wear Homam. I mean come on, look at those stats! You can't tell me that Homam wouldn't be perfect for DNC, right?


I prefer they add usukane set for DNC





Assuming you were calling Rionel an idiot.

Usukane provides 13% haste (19% with speed belt) and alot of acc and evasion which dancer get traits and merit group II which is based on acc and eva. The acc and eva stacks good with what dancer has already.
It does not just have store TP only.... Usukane on dancer would not be gimp.

It wouldn't be gimp, but if you don't have the full set, you are missing out on the 5% haste bonus, and if you are in a situation where accuracy isn't an issue, 3/5 homam + Rapparee & Turban wouldn't make a bad Tp set.

Usukane offers Evasion with a mix of haste accuracy and attack built in, but if you were going for just pure evasion there are better options in some slots.

[The Stig]

Assuming you were calling Rionel an idiot.

Nah, his name is Taru spelt backwards.

[Yugl]

One of us isn't understanding the conversation between Therin and BRP.

Looks like I pulled a BRP!

[Virtuous Saint]

I just have a flashback to the huge Raise III scroll mess they had with kirin... so no.

Especially not on HNM mobs that rely on claim. Big no.

How is Raise III anywhere near what I just said. R/ex not something that can be sold, or obtained via another method, and I didn't say from claimed HNMs. AV for example should be able to drop AeroV, maybe Comet. The point is you have a spell not everyone can get, instead of just gear, and it is an excellent idea.

[Spira]

The DEF to VIT thing would probably be a step in the right direction to edge out Utsusemi yea...

I also think DNC needs a little boost somehow lol..

one thing I thought might be nice to have at this point would be a new merit job ability or trait... say lets call it a Paragon JA, except that you can't merit it.
I think it'd be cool if it was a JA/JT/spell that was automatically unlocked if you have 10/10 in both group 1 and 2 categories for that job.
It would be a nice way of rewarding players further for fully meriting their jobs, and also adding stuff that could be slightly overpowering or meant to be exclusive without keeping it totally out of reach to players..

some random ideas..

WAR: increase damage from critical hits?
BLM: Ultima
WHM: that JA that removes weakness
DRK: Absorb-everything? lol

someting like that lol
ok i guess it sounds silly..

[Charismatic]

Looks like I pulled a BRP!

No, you pulled a fucking retarded.

[Qeomash]

I'm surprised they haven't done something like Rare/Ex scrolls yet. BLM gets Ultima. WHM, maybe Cure VI. RDM, Refreshga? Dunno.

Whatever the reward, every job should have a series of quests similar to the Black Belt in length and scope (but without the retarded NMs) that results in something unique for that job. Mages get Rare/Ex scrolls. Melee get a new JA or trait. Not something that can just be gotten through a system like merits. Something that you, and a team, have to go out and accomplish.

WAR - Added haste and accuracy to Mighty Strikes
MNK - Job Trait of Critical Hit+.
BLM - Ultima
WHM - Cure VI or Raise IV
RDM - Refreshga or Regain
PLD - Trait that makes Invincible truly Invincible.
DRK - Teir II absorbs.
SMN - Two shorter and separate quest paths: one for Alexander, one for Odin. Repeatable for both.
BRD - Pianissimo-ga (ability to chose who you hit, regardless of distance and placement)
DRG - Wyvern ages, growing in size/attack power.
BST - Charm anything but humanoid/beastmen/undead!
SAM - Doesn't need anything, so just changes their death animation to sepuku.
NIN - Trait that increases damage dealt when behind an enemy. Works with spells.
PUP - Something for every type of frame.
BLU - A unique spell from a unique NM.
COR - Their own version of Pianissimo.
SCH - Scan.
DNC - A trait that makes dances actually effective against high defense mobs.
THF - Add Mug to Steal, and Steal to Mug. Two cooldown timers for the same ability.
RNG - Autofire should be added anyway, so no idea what they should get.

[Yugl]

No, you pulled a fucking retarded.

Same thing.

Whatever the reward, every job should have a series of quests similar to the Black Belt in length and scope (but without the retarded NMs) that results in something unique for that job. Mages get Rare/Ex scrolls. Melee get a new JA or trait. Not something that can just be gotten through a system like merits. Something that you, and a team, have to go out and accomplish.

Everyone except THF!

[Khamsin]

I think a special BC for each job would be neat, and only that job can participate in the BC, without subjobs.

e.g. for the WAR BC, only WARs can enter. So you'd have to beat it with 6 WARs and no mages or subjobs.

Of course, each fight would be designed differently. A team of 6 BLMs will handle a fight differently than a team of 6 THFs, so there'd still have to be a challenge unique to each team of jobs.

[chiyio]

R/ex not something that can be sold, or obtained via another method

Tell that to all the LS's who claim mobs just to sell rare/ex pieces?

[SephYuyX]

Updates for BLM that would help.
- Elemental debuff line 2 that greatly reduces Stats
- Conserve: Stance that allows you to use Elemental spells for half MP cost but lowers magic accuracy: on HNMs/very tough NMs you will get huge amounts of resist. This Stance is purely for manaburning PTs or to fit BLM into PTs in general. The magic accuracy down doesnt affect enfeebling magic or dark magic, as wont the half MP cost occure for those.
- Aspir II

BST updates:
- new uncapped lvl 75 jugpets that are cheap/make some existing jugpets cheaper and uncapped.
- bard songs/cor rolls/dnc sambas effecting pet
- Change the killer traits back to as what they were. Instead of adding an initmidation rate, killer traits give you haste bonus (10%) when fighting said mob with killer effect. (same goes for pld sam drk drg). its a 10% JA haste, not maigcal.

Debuff2 would be nice, but low on my list. That /ja wont fix PT issues, nor in general either, but I wouldnt complain if they gave it to use as long as it was with other stuff. Aspir2 would be nice, have it the ability to take mp from mobs that dont even have mp, Drain2 would be nice to give to BLM.

BST stuff would be nice, but none of it would help them out in the long run.

The BST Tank idea seems ok, though I didnt really level the job wanting to be a tank. BST was a solo job, and then SE said BST was never meant to be a solo job, which pretty much killed off any hopes for BST being able to solo harder things in the future. And they dont get invites to PTs, so they have no place in game.

BLM

Want to fix BST?
-Uncapped 75 jugs, and have monster gloves and beast affinity work so it raises the jub pet over 75.
-The ability to select what TP move a jug/charmed pet uses.
-A /ja that can enable BSTs to charm uncharmable mobs like undead and beastmen.
-More charmable mobs in general.
-The ability to reliably charm T (hell even EM) and tougher mobs. Yeah, I can charm a T mob with CHR equip, but I lose Charm+ stuff. A Normal T charmed mob only lasts for ~2mins. Theres no reason why this timer cant be bumped up without use of Charm+.
-Something else that ive forgotten since im tired. Oh yeah, did I mention selectable TP moves?

BLM:
-Would be nice to see get T5 spells that do more dmg than AM2s and only cost slighty more MP more than T4. Who uses AM2s outside of MBs anyway? Make T5s work like AM2s so that elemental weakness actually means something, and not thunder for everything.
-Maybe a nice bullgod spell like Ultima and or Meteor where it could only be used during 2h or it was a /ja or something.
-How about Toad, Break, and Death just for the hell of it too, give it a high resist rate.
-Maybe a /ja Focus that increases MAB and ACC.
-A /ja reflect or absorb that reflects or absorbs a spell.
-A job trait where theres a chance a spell wont do any dmg to the BLM (think shadow ring), or does damage to HP, but also fills up MP for half the amount.

idk, could go on and on. It's fun to speculate, but SE will never do anything about the two jobs.

[Virtuous Saint]

Tell that to all the LS's who claim mobs just to sell rare/ex pieces?

Thank you for stating the obvious buddy. hahaha

[jimbobsonofgod]

Give bard massacre elegy please, give bard auto-regain song.
Give blm Comet with a 2 min recast and 400 Mp counts as physical damage with a base of 1000 min damage.
Like the idea of cor with pianissimo
Give a 20 minute spirit surge ability with their jug pets.
Give summoner, ward and rage timers for individual avatars not just the universal ones.


Stop making XIV til your 11 is fixed.

[Draylo]

BST needs a serious upgrade...

[Tomino]

Rare/Ex scrolls

it'd look like a nice idea, but it'd completely mess up game design:
how would you then tune each and every HNM? anything killable with an alliance would become a cake once your BLMs have all access to Ultima.
An HNM requiring you to learn Ultima in order to be defeated would basically become a "gearcheck", and then you have WoW.

Properly introduced Auguments (not the random jokes) would be much more interesting to see. Giving players the chance to customize things (BLU, Automaton style) is a great way to separate clueless players from veterans.

[Yugl]

Properly introduced Auguments (not the random jokes) would be much more interesting to see. Giving players the chance to customize things (BLU, Automaton style) is a great way to separate clueless players from veterans.

The problem with customization in FFXI is that once someone finds the "optimal" set up, it's do it or bust. I don't know much about PUP since that is usually lolterf, but I know for certain BLUs have a specific set of spells that must be set for specific events. Although you if you're not setting the spell for use, then you can always not set and it tell your PT you did (Not a good idea though?).

I think most of the issues regarding BLM are simply MP ones. Make a 5min JA that turns your next nuke into MP and you're golden.

[Tomino]

Customization with "optimal" setup, like you mentioned, is bad customization.
I'm not thinking on the lines of wondering if stacking Accuracy or Mind for a melee DD, but more like giving players the chance to adapt spells to their playstyle, much like they did with BLU.
For anyone familiar to WoW, it's the same they did with DK talent trees

[Damane]

How is Raise III anywhere near what I just said. R/ex not something that can be sold, or obtained via another method, and I didn't say from claimed HNMs. AV for example should be able to drop AeroV, maybe Comet. The point is you have a spell not everyone can get, instead of just gear, and it is an excellent idea.

Because there dont exist Linkshells, that dont sell ra/ex stuff right?

[Virtuous Saint]

Because there dont exist Linkshells, that dont sell ra/ex stuff right?

Of course you can sell any rare/ex, but does everyone in the game have valhalla helm, breastplate, Dring, V.fork, E body, Dalmatica, full AF, list goes on and on? The point is it would be available to no where near as many people as with a spell that you could place on the AH or bazaar, it is a simple fact. You have to be a dipshit to make this statement about what I said, and not think about this before hand.

Side note: I think you should have phrased that as "Because there don't exist Linkshells, that sell ra/ex stuff right?" the way you put it... ya

[Damane]

Of course you can sell any rare/ex, but does everyone in the game have valhalla helm, breastplate, Dring, V.fork, E body, Dalmatica, full AF, list goes on and on? The point is it would be available to no where near as many people as with a spell that you could place on the AH or bazaar, it is a simple fact. You have to be a dipshit to make this statement about what I said, and not think about this before hand.

Side note: I think you should have phrased that as "Because there don't exist Linkshells, that sell ra/ex stuff right?" the way you put it... ya

abilitys/spells =! equipment. One can change gameplay drastic the other doesnt, therefor I find it a bad Idea to only hand out spells to a handfull of people. If you want something unique go finish a Mythic. Only a handfull of people have them.

Side note: I am not a native english language speaker, therefor if you find mistakes you can gladly keep them ^-^. I give them to you for free.