Next Version Update Scheduled for Late July! (06/08/2009)

[BRP]

Why not? Nothing broken about it if you ask me. Absolutely nothing.

Maybe alone, but you are opening yourself to one hell of brutal exploit if you ask me.

[hagun]

Would be broken honestly and would never happen, but a THF can have dreams if nothing else.

[noodles355]

If 2 maths equations are equal on paper, how can one be better in realiity >.>?

[ronin sparthos]

If 2 maths equations are equal on paper, how can one be better in realiity >.>?

Because Gekko has a hidden attack boost that makes it better than Yukikaze and Kasha on average.

[brisk]

Actually no. The whole point of my post was about SCing naturally. I never stated the worth of holding TP like in a "skillchain party".

If a Rng is sitting at 100-120% TP and you're on Sam with 100%, there is no reason whatsoever in a merit PT to use Gekko over Yukikaze this time. They do the exact same damage, the difference is Yuki will give the option of a 600-800 Frag after it.

If you're the closer in any of my listed combos, have TParty and happen to get TP at the same time as the opener, there's no reason not to hold off an extra 1-2 seconds (you may not even get another round in that time) for the chance of popping a 600+ Lv2 on top of it.

Sidewinder to Gekko can make Reverberation which I find to be resisted less often then Frag, and doing more than an unresisted Frag.

[Plow]

Actually no. The whole point of my post was about SCing naturally. I never stated the worth of holding TP like in a "skillchain party".

If a Rng is sitting at 100-120% TP and you're on Sam with 100%, there is no reason whatsoever in a merit PT to use Gekko over Yukikaze this time. They do the exact same damage, the difference is Yuki will give the option of a 600-800 Frag after it.

If you're the closer in any of my listed combos, have TParty and happen to get TP at the same time as the opener, there's no reason not to hold off an extra 1-2 seconds (you may not even get another round in that time) for the chance of popping a 600+ Lv2 on top of it.

I thought it was pretty much a duh that you take skillchain opportunities as they come in merit pt's atm. (Although you still need to be aware, if you're running 6 hits every 5 times either melee waits an extra swing you better get 3 skillchains and hope they don't all get resisted, or you've lost dmg.)


I thought we were discussing actual parties designed around sc/mb. That's what I was commenting about.

[Gergall]

So with full merits, Hide would be a 10 second recast...?

When timers for BST abilities like Sic and Reward were reduced, the bonuses granted by Cat 1 Merits were also reduced.

[Damane]

RE: Beaucadine mobs; I think Tundra Lycopodium would be better than Tundra Colibri, no? Or maybe some people have developed a fetish for getting their morsel snatched over the years.

what would be ironic/funny is if the Thundra colibris would be the exact opposite of the ToAU colibris. Some form of - physical dmg taken trait, mimics all job abilitys and weaponskills. But that will never happen

[TummieGaruda]

If 2 maths equations are equal on paper, how can one be better in realiity >.>?

On paper there is a hidden value that is not part of the equation when you look at Gekko. Gekko has a hidden attack bonus that increases the pDIF value. I've heard and seen parses that would suggest something around a 3 digit attack bonus or 0.20 added to the final pdif.

I thought we were discussing actual parties designed around sc/mb. That's what I was commenting about.

I thought so too... This whole thing was more of a discussion of not trying to replace TP burns with SC+MB, but creating a situation where players could create parties designed towards SC+MB so that they can co-exist with TP burns and get the same amount of exp/hr, which is what I believe most people want.

[Kaiyoko]

what would be ironic/funny is if the Thundra colibris would be the exact opposite of the ToAU colibris. Some form of - physical dmg taken trait, mimics all job abilitys and weaponskills. But that will never happen

Lol Colibri Penta thrusting instead of Pecking flurry. They merit on us instead!

[Yugl]

Lol Colibri Penta thrusting instead of Pecking flurry. They merit on us instead!

Counterstance + No H2H. YES DO IT.

[noodles355]

I thought it was pretty much a duh that you take skillchain opportunities as they come in merit pt's atm. (Although you still need to be aware, if you're running 6 hits every 5 times either melee waits an extra swing you better get 3 skillchains and hope they don't all get resisted, or you've lost dmg.)


I thought we were discussing actual parties designed around sc/mb. That's what I was commenting about.

If that was the argument in question then my argument is obsoete (And as far as I'm aware: other good DDs look out for SCs as mentioned anyway)

I don't think you should build a PT around SC/MB ever unless you're a smaller sky/hnm shell who need/want SC for MBs. Meritwise it's just not worth it, but I just wish everyone would knew their SC options anyway. It really is worth learning.

For example, for Thf 90% of what I do with a party is Nyzul, if we're fighting something and I see a Gekko when I have over 90% TP, then as soon as I can WS I'm gonna pop an Evis over a DE incase I can get some extra darkness damage.

Every DD should be on the look out for instances similar to this (instances around the examples on page 4 posted), because holding off 2 seconds for a possible 600-1600 dmg SC is always worth it.

As regards to Y/G/K, I was not aware Gekko had a bigger Att/pdif boost than Yuki/Kasha. Is there proof of this, or are the "three big" Sam WSs the exact damage as I had assumed?

[Spira]

Lol Colibri Penta thrusting instead of Pecking flurry. They merit on us instead!

this is Beaucedine not mother Russia XD

[JigglyJam]

I feel like PUP will get something this coming update.

[noodles355]

I feel like PUP will get something this coming update.

replaced by a real job?

[JigglyJam]

replaced by a real job?

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FUCK YOU BUDDY

Still looking forward to the update no matter what happens. Hopefully something good.

[Max™]

As regards to Y/G/K, I was not aware Gekko had a bigger Att/pdif boost than Yuki/Kasha. Is there proof of this, or are the "three big" Sam WSs the exact damage as I had assumed?

There are a few threads floating around regarding this, Gekko +100%, Yuki +75%, Kasha +50% according to tests done. A few other wses have this effect, spinning slash, steel cyclone, ground strike, I'm sure there are others.

[Toth]

replaced by a real job?

/slap

I guess there are still some players clinging to the old notions of lolpup. It's loldnc now buddy.

[Damane]

/slap

I guess there are still some players clinging to the old notions of lolpup. It's loldnc now buddy.

actually just watch your sig for the lulz jobs ._.

[Deelo]

replaced by a real job?

LOL!!!!