Next Version Update Scheduled for Late July! (06/08/2009)

[Gwynplaine]

I don't know about other servers, but mine has been barely keeping up in campaign after the last update. Stronghold Ops now are incredibly rare, and Bastok is under attack again for the first time since they adjusted for city invasions. If this update adds more areas to split players into, that could make it even more of a struggle. So I hope there's some kind of Allied additions that balance it out.

Also perhaps now they will begin to utilize the prisoner cages found throughout campaign areas.

[Starr]

Stronghold ops have never been available on Hades

[MrBubbles]

Job Updates:

We have determined that BLM is too strong in comparison to other classes. All AM2 is now on a shared 10 minute recast timer. Manafont now only gives unlimited MP for one spell. -aga spells will require 30 seconds to cast. To balance it with other jobs, SCH will now be given Stun and all the same MAB Job Traits BLM receives.

SAM's job abilities Meditate, Hasso, and Seigan are all now Job Traits, with no negatives, and are all simultaneously constantly active.

It could happen.

[ringthree]

Job Updates:

We have determined that BLM is too strong in comparison to other classes. All AM2 is now on a shared 10 minute recast timer. Manafont now only gives unlimited MP for one spell. -aga spells will require 30 seconds to cast. To balance it with other jobs, SCH will now be given Stun and all the same MAB Job Traits BLM receives.

SAM's job abilities Meditate, Hasso, and Seigan are all now Job Traits, with no negatives, and are all simultaneously constantly active.

It could happen.

AM2 sucks, stop using it. Same for -gas.

[ringthree]

no more Colibri, must have killed over 9000 and they are boring as hell. I prefer camps like Trolls and Mamools with variety in mobs but not shit like THF mobs lol.

I really love partying in Castle O in the past. You have to move around, the mobs are fun to fight and require some actual planning, and it's 99% of the time completely open. The new NM near the top of the tower fucks it up a bit no though.

[Max™]

Fill Northlands [S] with 5 minute repops (as they are outdoor areas) of lvl 77-83 mobs of various types, pockets of demons, yags, quads, orcs, gigas, imps, puddings, and shit scattered around, WoTG will go from "lolcampaign onry" to "dude, fuck yeah, WoTG!".

Add in some sort of experience boost from having highest rank/finishing the missions, people will bitch but comply at the thought of wide open camps packed as most WoTG beastmen stronghold type zones are... but with outdoor repop rates.


Fuck, if Oz/Bead/LV had 5 minute repops, you can push 16~17k hr there as is with the dungeon timers.


If WoE is added as an endgame zone and follows their trend recently of limbus/ein/znm/scnm type time/reward ratio's, this'll be one epic ass update.

[Starr]

Hmm you think ZNM time/reward is good?

[Knightfell]

Job Updates:

We have determined that BLM is too strong in comparison to other classes. To promote balance all nukes have had it's mp cost doubled and /healing time has been tripled.

The use of AM2 will grant the user a "Gimpus Aflictus" effect which causes the user to enter a weakened state, if death occurs while this status is in effect, the BLM will lose a level.

Puddings have been given the "Mimic Abilty"

The Aern's family AI has been adjusted so that if attacked, it will seek out any nearby mobs of the same family for assistance, also they have been given the "Death" spell.

Roaches will immediately transform into moths if hit with an elemental attack.

SAM has been given Cosmic Elucidation

/Snicker

[Yugl]

If WoE is added as an endgame zone and follows their trend recently of limbus/ein/znm/scnm type time/reward ratio's, this'll be one epic ass update.

I hope it's not like Einherjar or ZNM time/reward ratio.

[Starr]

Einherjar time/reward is good if you're lucky but yeah same with everything in FFXI => luck and not skill/experience/time.

[Not Kuno]

Ein is great for rewards. Hey look, it's KB and he brought his soulflayer friends over again. This is the best tier 3 ever.

[Max™]

ZNM upper tiers suck, but the idea has promise, something everyone can do on their own time if given incentive (not enough offered for ZNM for everyone to want to farm their own pops), lower tier drops have some really good pieces (nagle, aurum feet, some oracles shit), and interesting fights.

Then pow, you hit the T4 cockblocks which cockblock T5 even more.

If the early chambers in Ein had a better reward setup, and weren't just the price you paid to get to Odin who, well, last I checked being able to guarantee a couple king bodies plus other random goodies is cool shit, no?

They mentioned abjurations from Ein chambers, but you see like 1 person out of thousands pop up and say "dude, we got an nhead in Waltrautes today!"

Let people buy the lesser abjurations with ampoules, leave the top end shit + random abjuration/gear drops on Odin, Ein would be pretty fucking amazing.

[Starr]

Technically if you did 10 Odin there is nothing to say you couldn't get the minimum and worst rewards possible, I think it would be like P/M Body, DFeet & any P ABJ. Imagine that x10 and say the time/rewards are fair.
Einherjar should have ALWAYS been Ichor=Abj with Odin only items being drops from him with a slightly better drop rate IMO.

[Starr]

I posted that ichor for abj before max posted btw -_-

[Midnightjade]

Eh, I don't do Campaign anymore, same old waves of orcs attacking the same humes/galka in mismatched armor sets.... and I'm not always talking about the NPCs, lol. Plus if I get bored and stop for a while/go on vacation I have to do it all over again just to get back where I was before. Yech.

Meriting? Also burned out on that - no more colibri or mamools thank you very much.

Something new would be nice - low numbers, instanced, doable in a party of 3 or more. That would get me to sit up and take notice, at this point things are a bit stale.

[Max™]

A good idea is a good idea, limbus gave coins to buy upgrades/sell, plus af upgrade items, plus homam/nashira in a system where it can be done at your groups pace.

Sky can be solo/duo farmed in many cases, a big shell can go swarm the zone and get a few sets of pops, burn em fast, and get rewards. The only reason people still do it is because of the quality of a lot of key pieces up there, haidate, wlegs, osode, whands, hecatomb, ahands, shura, etc.

Drop rates aren't THAT bad, but anyone with a couple of jobs will have quite a bit of overlap in gear they "need" from Sky.

Dyna is long, drawn out, repetitive, but still has a few wtfawesome items, and relic weapons. Mythics showed us that it could be much worse.

Nyzul is random, but pretty fun for a while, the assault point system was genius, if only the gear had proved more worthwhile aside from a couple of things.

By Ein though, I kinda meant Odin, I think I've blocked out the memories of the various lower tier runs I've done... some things just don't need to be remembered.

[Starr]

I really love partying in Castle O in the past. You have to move around, the mobs are fun to fight and require some actual planning, and it's 99% of the time completely open. The new NM near the top of the tower fucks it up a bit no though.

oh yeah, I partied at La Vaule [S] before the SCNM NMs were put in (not sure if this affects it) doing a huge circuit and about 24k/hour, the mobs were real varied and more difficult than Mamools and it took really well equipped melees and an epic BRD puller to do it. Any 6 noobs can do 15k/hr at Greater Colibri though.

[Midnightjade]

Duo farming Sky sounds pretty cool, you have no idea the number of times I go up there on my BST and happen across 2 or 3 of the NMs late on a weekday evening - should repeat the trick on my BRD, with a NIN pal along for the fun.

Also, both those merit locations sound kind of nice - may have to try them.

[Yugl]

I don't think it's fair to skimp out on the T1-2/Zeni Pics for ZNM and the T1-3 Chambers for Odin when comparing. It's the same as saying ground HNMs have good rewards if you only count the instance in which you claim the NM instead of the times you were out claimed or the time wasted camping.

A good idea is a good idea, limbus gave coins to buy upgrades/sell, plus af upgrade items, plus homam/nashira in a system where it can be done at your groups pace.

I agree. Aside from the lack of instancing, I find Limbus to be the best events SE ever made.

Sky can be solo/duo farmed in many cases, a big shell can go swarm the zone and get a few sets of pops, burn em fast, and get rewards. The only reason people still do it is because of the quality of a lot of key pieces up there, haidate, wlegs, osode, whands, hecatomb, ahands, shura, etc.

I disagree here. The only reason sky seems like a good event now is because most LSs are done with sky or buy the seals needed to farm Byakko/Kirin. I remember when sky was first out and you had to race to different areas trying to claim a NM against another LS. Most of these NMs share four hour wait periods, which can seriously halt LS events or extend them (Depending on how ambitious your LS is). I think the height of it all was despot claiming (Before the new method was implemented) and Ullikumi (Before Diorites).

I will agree with you on the fact that there is a great degree of gear overlap (At least at the time sky was implemented) and moderate drop rates (Except on Crimson Legs!). The real bane of sky is the trigger NMs needed to pop some NMs. Don't make it into a ZNM system where the pops are always personalized (Though allow for cases where it can be), but don't make it into a camp NM system.

Dyna is long, drawn out, repetitive, but still has a few wtfawesome items, and relic weapons. Mythics showed us that it could be much worse.

Boring but good returns in my opinion as well (And here comes Ringthree with Salvage!).

Nyzul is random, but pretty fun for a while, the assault point system was genius, if only the gear had proved more worthwhile aside from a couple of things.

I think the randomness of Nyzul is what makes it an entertaining event even though I've been at it for almost a year. If it were always All > NM > Single > Lamp > HNM/Group it would probably get boring real fast. True, depending on the class, the gear selection is very limited. SCH however, benefits greatly from Nyzul.

[LinktheDeme]

I don't know why people are bitching about odin getting 2 king abj every 2 weeks is pretty amazing. (if you use the 3 mule method or was that changed?)