Non Rajas 6 Hit

[Spekkio]

Why are you donkeys talking about Tamas?



OP has Sattva, which can be replaced by other easily obtainable rings. Tamas v. Rajas is much different than Sattva v. Rajas.

it degraded into a rajas is awesome everyone else is stupid argument so it was worth bearing out. even in this case, he makes a decent point for the sattva. it offers more enmity than any other option for that slot and offers him HP at the same time so he doesn't lose as much macroing in enmity gear for flash. is it a good ring? sure. is it a great ring? probably not.

by the same token though, should i opt for a bst designed acp body over a pld or other configuration because the bst designed one is so much more of a leg up for bst than it is for pld? probably not since i'd imagine my bst will see far less action than my pld.

none of the 3 rings are universally wrong choices, just that some require more particular circumstances for them to be the right choice. maybe this is for him, maybe it's not, but to tell him flat out that he's wrong is misguided. give him the information, give him the facts, let him decide what's worth it or not.

[Wolfknight]

You're also mistaken that you're only using one stat on Sattva at a time. My point in bringing up Rampart is that no other ring gives Vit and Enmity. The point in bringing up HP sets is that no other +HP ring also gives +Enmity for Cure IV swaps.

Ask any Pld who owns a Sattva, it is just as important as Tamas and Rajas to us, and while you could get some of the same stats without it, you wouldn't get the combined effect of it without it.

Yes, post Atonement, I have replaced my Sattva with Acc rings in my idle set, but as others have said, Rajas is replaced for TPing now with better gear choices.

CoP rings are case by case, the choice of what is best for one person is not necessarily what is best for everyone. Because of this, the original question posed was not what CoP ring should I replace my Sattva with. The original question was what are some other choices that people use for 6 hit, which I do have, I was just looking at alternatives to optimize my sam without gimping my Pld.

Sorry, I disagree unless you're a career tank who is a blu, rdm, or nin[they don't get second easy to get enmity ring], or pld with no other jobs, then sattva is waste, I admit tamas has a decent agruement since all the stats on it actaully relevent unlike sattva[lolagi] and you said would be using sam for events like nyzul and salvage where you'd get far more out of having rajas, even if just used sam for that and meriting.
Also, The only way rajas is not ideal on sam is full usukane[even then cause for sword strap or TE merits], which is a hell of alot harder to get then herc + mermaid ring, and creative set to make Cure IV work w/o a ring slot being used up, and is 5 vit on rampart really that a big of a deal, really, I mean 10 dmg every 5 minutes isn't much. You're trying to make it sound like you can't hold hate w/o it.

[Enedin]

Rajas is like Suppa. Choose Rajas if you have any melee job, and choose Suppa if you have any job that uses Dual Wield on a regular basis.

[Tagus]

I chose the ring that my ls would get the most out of. I am Pld for 100% of the events that we currently do, therefore obtaining a Rajas in place of my Sattva would NOT be an improvement, because I would only be gaining the Rajas to merit in, which is...sorry, no, I'm not giving up a key item in multiple of my Pld sets in order to have a 6 hit on Colibri, when I don't NEED said ring to have the 6 hit, it would be the opposite of efficient.

You're also mistaken that you're only using one stat on Sattva at a time. My point in bringing up Rampart is that no other ring gives Vit and Enmity. The point in bringing up HP sets is that no other +HP ring also gives +Enmity for Cure IV swaps.

Ask any Pld who owns a Sattva, it is just as important as Tamas and Rajas to us, and while you could get some of the same stats without it, you wouldn't get the combined effect of it without it.

Yes, post Atonement, I have replaced my Sattva with Acc rings in my idle set, but as others have said, Rajas is replaced for TPing now with better gear choices.

CoP rings are case by case, the choice of what is best for one person is not necessarily what is best for everyone. Because of this, the original question posed was not what CoP ring should I replace my Sattva with. The original question was what are some other choices that people use for 6 hit, which I do have, I was just looking at alternatives to optimize my sam without gimping my Pld.

Well in that case, here is a link that will help you out. People might be unhappy with my choice to link this, but it's a good generic guide to how to gear up a non-rajas samurai.

FFXIclopedia • View topic - Samurai equipment without the Rajas Ring.

[Hosom]

Sorry, I disagree unless you're a career tank who is a blu, rdm, or nin[they don't get second easy to get enmity ring], or pld with no other jobs, then sattva is waste, I admit tamas has a decent agruement since all the stats on it actaully relevent unlike sattva[lolagi] and you said would be using sam for events like nyzul and salvage where you'd get far more out of having rajas, even if just used sam for that and meriting.
Also, The only way rajas is not ideal on sam is full usukane[even then cause for sword strap or TE merits], which is a hell of alot harder to get then herc + mermaid ring, and creative set to make Cure IV work w/o a ring slot being used up, and is 5 vit on rampart really that a big of a deal, really, I mean 10 dmg every 5 minutes isn't much. You're trying to make it sound like you can't hold hate w/o it.

So when you made part of what I said bold you really meant that that was all that you bothered reading?

My argument for Sattva was the combination of stats. This argument is the same argument being used for Tamas. My point wasn't that I can't hold hate without Sattva, my point was that it allows me to do my main job to a level at which I wouldn't be able to do without it because it enhances specific abilities more than any other ring can.

You're also downplaying the dmg absorbed by Rampart. Abilities like Rampart and Chakra do require a large amount of stats to make a noticeable difference, but when you have the correct sets for them, people DO notice, and it does make a huge difference. If Rampart protects every member of a party from ~300 dmg of Astral Flow/Mijin Gakure in <name your situation>, it not only probably resulted in keeping at least a couple of those people alive but saved a large amount of MP...assuming all people stayed alive, and every person took 10 less damage from Sattva alone, you reduced the total dmg taken by the party by 60 dmg.

You can't say that because one item doesn't make a significant difference alone it isn't worth having, because if that is the case, you should probably toss every item in your sig.

So yes, while Herc Ring and Mermaid ring would be the easier way to accomplish the 6 hit, I think I would rather keep my Sattva and work towards Cream Soda's 6 hit, because it is a final result that doesn't gimp either job, thanks for the input.

[Hosom]

Well in that case, here is a link that will help you out. People might be unhappy with my choice to link this, but it's a good generic guide to how to gear up a non-rajas samurai.

FFXIclopedia &bull; View topic - Samurai equipment without the Rajas Ring.

Thanks for the link...you must have slipped that in right as I hit reply for my above post.

[Max™]

People also get sentimental over their Sattva rings.

I love mine for my C3 macro, replacing it for a mermaid would require using a pure Enm slot for just HP, losing 3~4 Enm. I love the extra HP buffer for various shit, and it gets more use on my War (when I'm voking shit) than Rajas would (since I haven't been /Sam in... a very long time).

Rajas rocks, if you're unsure and have melee jobs, it's hard to go wrong with Rajas, it isn't like Suppa. Suppa has a unique benefit and is a FUCKING PAIN to re-do. I know, I've got the key item and no Suppa, and actually want it now if just for the sword skill on Pld.

Ethereal has a unique benefit, much easier to redo though.

Sattva isn't as damn near game breaking as Rajas for letting full haste 6 hits work, but it's easy to swap between them, for free the first time, and for a 1 month wait each time after that.

Get the one you'll use more, get the one that satisfies your aesthetic sense more, and if you feel like you fucked up, you can swap pretty easily.

[Enedin]

you can swap pretty easily.

Truth, feel free to try one for a month.

[Fridell]

Tamas vs. Rajas has been done to fucking death too many times. Summary:

Tamas is NOT simply a space-saver on account of the fact that no other ring allows you to take advantage of 30 MP, 3 -enmity and 5 INT or 5 MND at the same time for a single spell and without a HP penalty.

Rajas is great when Store TP is necessary and nice for appropriate WS.

Calling someone an idiot for choosing Tamas indicates that you yourself are, in fact, the idiot and should stop riding the melee jobs' collective dick.

Said it before, you're one of the few intelligent people around here.

That being said...I had Tamas for several years but recently tossed it to pick up Rajas just because now days I play my melee jobs just as much as my mage jobs.

[Julian]

Get the one you'll use more, get the one that satisfies your aesthetic sense more, and if you feel like you fucked up, you can swap pretty easily.

Sure it's easy, but the 1 month timer only starts AFTER you drop your ring (after your first switch, which is instant) and one month of neither ring sucks ass.

I used my first switch to get a rajas, but missed my tamas too much, and that one month with neither ring was really lame.

Just something to keep in mind.

[Starr]

Hell I have Rajas. It doesn't even live up to the hype on my sam. I only use it for Y/G WS macro so I don't have to buy another str ring. Yea, I has a 6hit. He's a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.

Couldn't you then use Rajas and swap Store TP merits for Third Eye merits and be better defensively though? If you always use full Usu on SAM.

[Cream Soda]

fuck that. I'll take my hitrate increase over 2-5 secs on 3eye. I do all my tanking on mnk
Hell, all I use sam for is colibri and red vs blue

[Wolfknight]

Couldn't you then use Rajas and swap Store TP merits for Third Eye merits and be better defensively though? If you always use full Usu on SAM.

that's what I plan to do on sam merits whenever get full usukane.

[Jesifromgaruda]

Honestly this is kind of rediculous. This game is all about having fun. If you freakin love your WHM/RDM/BLM/BLU with your tamas ring and you are having a blast, keep it. If you have PLD/NIN and love your sat ring, keep it, stare at it, make love to it. No one should look down at someone for something that isn't even close to game breaking. Unless they are willing to pay your 15 dollars a month, don't throw away your ring just because of what someone says on a forum.

The only time I say something to someone about gear it's because they are doing something blantantly bad. Like TPing in STR rings, wyvern helm, etc. Then I just explain to them whats up. If they aren't gonna change I'm not gonna go all crazy.

For me, I have RDM, BLM and SAM leveled to 75 and I picked Rajas. I'm good on emnity for my RDM and BLM and I love my setup for my SAM. With ACP body and Rajas ring I have 20% haste and 6 hit build. It's pretty hot, I really like it. I've only been playing for 1.5 years, so I don't have usu or anything, so this is pretty much the best setup I can get atm. I love my rajas and will never ever change.

Here is my build with ACP body if anyone cares:

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[FailureMidgard]

Couldn't you then use Rajas and swap Store TP merits for Third Eye merits and be better defensively though? If you always use full Usu on SAM.

Do you mean just a few merits? I think you'd want to keep at least 2 sTP merits to not gimp your GK setup. Also, "always using full usu on sam" isn't the best option really...I like the evasion it gives, it definitely boosts me up past the floor (though nowhere near what's needed for solo), if I'm worried about my mages, but for pure DD, it's lacking...

25 base, 5 rajas, 1 brutal, 7 feet, 6 body = 44 storeTP = 16.5 TP/hit = 82.5 TP from melee.
17.5 needed from WS = 53 sTP needed on WS.

Past that though, you lose a true 5hit for Pole if you remove even 1, which I consider to be very important, otherwise you have to make an extra swing every feather tickle (or unlucky penta where you miss too many hits, or someone WSes as you do and it drops to 5%).

Best part of Usu body was getting a true 5hit on birds.

[NikeahOrazu]

With Usukane Feet, wouldn't the easiest way to get the 6hit be to rock an ACP body, seems like an obvious choice for someone dead set on not getting Rajas.

[Max™]

Sure it's easy, but the 1 month timer only starts AFTER you drop your ring (after your first switch, which is instant) and one month of neither ring sucks ass.

I used my first switch to get a rajas, but missed my tamas too much, and that one month with neither ring was really lame.

Just something to keep in mind.

I wish Suppa worked that way.

I missed one run that went smoothly because of card issues, was going to attend another one but they misunderstood me saying "I have the key item so I can get a new earring", and thought I said "I have an ark pentasphere so I can enter us into the bc".

I actually have a pentasphere now, but jack squat for luck on getting a good group going.

If it was a month wait, or even three month, and I could go pick it up for sure I'd be pretty happy.

[Wolfknight]

With Usukane Feet, wouldn't the easiest way to get the 6hit be to rock an ACP body, seems like an obvious choice for someone dead set on not getting Rajas.

except giving up 1~3 enmity on body and 5 fast cast for 1 enmity 30 hp on ring is frankly stupid, hence before me saying rajas + FC/enmity ACP body > sattva + Acc/Stp ACP body.

[Max™]

FC/Enm + Sattva > YOUR FACE, BOOYAH!

[Freazer]

only reason y i didnt have raja's was becuase my main job is brd and i had a tama's ring...