Magic: The Gathering

**zoobernut** · 2012-06-03 15:09

Got top 4 in the sealed tournament last night at my store. It was REL Competitive for the GPT Vancouver. Was pretty sweet, walked away with 24 prize packs.

My card pool wasn't the greatest but I ended up making a decent green/white deck.

**Tricen** · 2012-06-03 16:58

Originally Posted by Marajade

Correct, however, if the NAP's huntmaster damage trigger kills the AP's huntmaster, AP does not get to get the damage trigger. AP's huntmaster will die while still waiting for the transform trigger to resolve, and thus will not place the Ravager of the Fells trigger on the stack at all.

New question: You control an Oracle of Mul-Daya, and a Garruk's Horde. The top card of your library is a Zoetic Cavern. Can you play it for its morph cost.

Nope. Garruk's Horde has an "if" clause. Zoetic Cavern does not have the subtype creature.

**Zilong** · 2012-06-03 17:03

wouldn't the oracle allow him to do that since he is playing the land card?

**Tricen** · 2012-06-03 18:28

He'd have to choose to play it as a land.

**Xerlic** · 2012-06-03 19:16

Originally Posted by Marajade

New question: You control an Oracle of Mul-Daya, and a Garruk's Horde. The top card of your library is a Zoetic Cavern. Can you play it for its morph cost.

I never played Magic when Morph was a standard mechanic, so I might be wrong. I'm going to make a guess based on the comprehensive rules.

707.4. Objects that are cast face down are turned face down before they are put onto the stack, so effects that care about the characteristics of a spell will see only the face-down spell’s characteristics. Any effects or prohibitions that would apply to casting an object with these characteristics (and not the face-up object’s characteristics) are applied to casting this object. The permanent the spell becomes will be a face-down permanent.

Based on this, when you play a card that is morphed it's treated as a creature since the game doesn't care about the face up characteristics. So, Garruk's horde will only let you play the card morphed and Oracle of Mul Daya will only let you play Zoetic Cavern as a land. If you have both, you can choose either one.

**Marajade** · 2012-06-04 11:39

Originally Posted by Xerlic

I never played Magic when Morph was a standard mechanic, so I might be wrong. I'm going to make a guess based on the comprehensive rules.

Based on this, when you play a card that is morphed it's treated as a creature since the game doesn't care about the face up characteristics. So, Garruk's horde will only let you play the card morphed and Oracle of Mul Daya will only let you play Zoetic Cavern as a land. If you have both, you can choose either one.

Correct, you need to have both in order to morph it. Mul Daya allos you to play it as if it were in your hand, but the act of casting it as a morph spell does not allow you to complete the process, and the Horde does not allow you to to start the process, since its not a creature yet. Both must be in play in order for it to trigger.

I have a bunch more but I can't quite remember the exact interactions, I'll refresh my judge memory and have some more later today.

**Tricen** · 2012-06-04 20:43

There's no trigger involved here. You Lso don't need oracle to do this. Morph is really weird lol. Before you pay costs or anything, you turn the card face down. At this point it's a creature and garruks horde lets you cast it off the top of your library. It's weird hoe tht works. If you only have oracle in play, you would not be able to cast it off the top since nothing lets you cast it off the top.

**Xerlic** · 2012-06-11 12:19

Seems pretty good.

**Weltall** · 2012-06-11 13:59

Meh. I hope this means Noble Heirach is in M13 !!!

**Krandor** · 2012-06-11 16:15

Pair it with silverblade paladin and have some token generators. Could be pretty beast.

**Xerlic** · 2012-06-14 08:10

All aboard the value train. Next stop: this guy.

**Nama** · 2012-06-14 10:59

Don't mind if I do~

**miokomioko** · 2012-06-14 15:52

Worldfire made me "wat."

**zoobernut** · 2012-06-14 18:32

Originally Posted by Xerlic

All aboard the value train. Next stop: this guy.

Green/white this guy plus cloudshift? You could really eek some value out of this guy with all the blinking effects in AVR.

**Weltall** · 2012-06-14 23:50

The new liliana has amazing artwork, but damn its awful ...lol

**Nama** · 2012-06-15 05:09

Liliana is pretty meh better with ravinca shocklands but still not that great but I still got my hopes for for 3cmc Ajani. Wotc will never stop giving love to white.

**Xerlic** · 2012-06-15 08:26

New Lil... isn't bad I guess. If black control becomes a thing again, she'll have a home and they've been printing cards to push black into that direction kind of.

**Weltall** · 2012-06-15 09:15

#1 rule to Planeswalkers is: Can it protect itself the turn it comes into play?

Lilliana doesn't come close. It is a piece of shit. If they are worth decent $ at first, sell/trade the shit out of them.

**zoobernut** · 2012-06-15 10:24

Rancor is coming back but at uncommon instead of common. What do you guys think about that?

Also Lilliana is not the greatest but I think she could have a home in MBC until the scars block rotates.

**Xerlic** · 2012-06-15 11:03

One of the biggest problems with the 4cc Liliana is that she's Liliana so she legend rules the 3cc one. If you could use both of them at the same time, that would be pretty awesome in a control deck.

Infect might make a comeback in the 3 months between M13 and RtR thanks to Rancor.

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