Magic: The Gathering

[zoobernut]

So it sounds like to me that no one would buy that collection for anything more than $200-250 if you wanted to turn around and flip it for a profit? That is what I was thinking before I made the post.

[Xerlic]

What Kongming said. If you don't have a way to flip this collection, I wouldn't bother with it. A lot of the higher priced cards are also prime targets for MM2 reprint (Karn, Fulminator, Mindcensor etc).

[zoobernut]

What Kongming said. If you don't have a way to flip this collection, I wouldn't bother with it. A lot of the higher priced cards are also prime targets for MM2 reprint (Karn, Fulminator, Mindcensor etc).

That is a great point that I hadn't considered. MM2 is going to shake up quite a few of the values. If MM1 was any indication most of the cards tanked in value while a select few went up in price as a result (bob, 'goyf, Vend. Clique)

[Urza!]

Literally everything I was gonna say has been said lol

[Kononeko]

So I was talking it over with a few people I know what do you all feel about this build for modern.

4 Shelldock Isle
4 Surgical Extraction
2 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
50 Shadowborn Apostle

I'm thinking the sideboard would be

4 Gitaxion Probe
3 Spell Pierce
3 Watery Grave
1 Griselbrand
4 Thought Scour

Any ideas?

[Chrius]

This does look super fun, but not sure how practical.
Best case:
Turn 1: Draw, Discard to handsize (i'm guessing always on the draw?)
Turn 2: Draw, Extraction, Hideaway. Library size is now 7 at most
Turn 3: Draw, Hideaway. Library: 5
Turn 4: Draw, Pay for shelldock ability. Library: 4
Turn 5, Extra turn: Draw, Swing 15. Library: 3 - possibly win due to fetches+shocklands
Turn 6: Draw, Swing 15

That's a 3 card window of having the goods. Too many lands / surgicals / emrakul in hand could lose to decking yourself.
I do like that you're guaranteed to find an Emrakul, unless both in hand, off the 2 hideaways after small library.
Would play as troll

[Weltall]

Seems like a deck that would be awesome to watch on stream. Shouldn't the Probes be in the main deck to increase the chances of a turn 1 Shelldock?

Worst case scenario you are just going to hit an Apostle. Gives you 8 Shelldock chances in opening hand every game instead of 4.

[zoobernut]

Seems like a deck that would be awesome to watch on stream. Shouldn't the Probes be in the main deck to increase the chances of a turn 1 Shelldock?

Worst case scenario you are just going to hit an Apostle. Gives you 8 Shelldock chances in opening hand every game instead of 4.

Wouldn't you mulligan every time in that deck until your opening hand had a surgical extraction in it at a minimum? Then your chances of getting a shelldock go way up after turn 1.

[Chrius]

Wouldn't you mulligan every time in that deck until your opening hand had a surgical extraction in it at a minimum? Then your chances of getting a shelldock go way up after turn 1.

If you mulligan too hard, you will have to waste turns drawing to get forced discard

[zoobernut]

If you mulligan too hard, you will have to waste turns drawing to get forced discard

Thats right. I forgot that Surgical Extraction only targets cards in your graveyard. I guess gitaxian probe and thoughtscour would be helpful then. Too bad there isn't a thoughtseize that uses phyrexian mana for its cost.

[Kononeko]

Thats right. I forgot that Surgical Extraction only targets cards in your graveyard. I guess gitaxian probe and thoughtscour would be helpful then. Too bad there isn't a thoughtseize that uses phyrexian mana for its cost.

Actually I'm OK without a Thoughtseize that is Phyrexian mana. I would snap quit if I had to deal with Thoughtseize in every modern and legacy deck.

[Olo401]

What would you guys offer for this collection? http://monterey.craigslist.org/clt/4831888507.html


That is the Spreadsheet of all the cards minus all the bulk rares that are under $2

The values are way off I think.

They are way off. It's almost like this price list is from a year ago and he just added new cards to the list. The only deal I see on the entire list is Llanowar Wastes for $6.

[Weltall]

Wingmate Roc will be a $1 Mythic once it rotates lol.

[Kononeko]

Yeah I have two right now and I sort of want to ditch them badly.

With that being said though if dig and cruise are not banned then the only cards that will be worth money post khans will be Taylor Swiftspear, Ascendancy, Rhino and maybe White pyromancer. Fetches are a given.

[Weltall]

Meanwhile, the new set looks like it will be completely worthless as far as $ targets go. Manifest is also the most uninspiring mechanic since Flanking...

[Chrius]

Reality Shift is going to be such a pain to play around

[Kononeko]

I can't quite make up my mind on if that card is constructed playable I mean my gut is snap yes, but putting a 2/2 into play or a potential morph trap into something much worse seems rather bad.

[Chrius]

Still gets rid of the old giant threat, disables ETB triggers if it ends up being something like a siege rhino. Has great synergy with an opposing courser. Not the end all be all of removal of course, but looks quite nice

[Xerlic]

Meanwhile, the new set looks like it will be completely worthless as far as $ targets go. Manifest is also the most uninspiring mechanic since Flanking...

It's a mechanic forced for limited. Morph is pretty weak this time around, too.

[Kononeko]

I think that the idea behind Manifest is suppose to be a primitive form of morph. With that being said though because it's going to be Fate Khan Khan and then Dragons Dragons Fate limited is going to be interesting. I wonder if they will bring back morph for Dragons or if they have some other thing in mind. Also just realized that next year is going to be rather chaotic when we go to the 2 set block structure.