Magic: The Gathering

[zoobernut]

Is it me or does "an utility" not sound right? Anyways, fling isn't bad, but it's just outclassed. Fling requires way too much to be useful. If you are talkin about playin with your friends casually, then yeah sure. It's fine to make casual decks and not have to worry about competitive decks. But if you're playing for tourneys and stuff, some cards just aren't cut out for competitive play.

Yeah "an utility" doesn't sound right to me either. Maybe this is why I don't do well in tournaments usually but I really don't see why fling is so outclassed, I think that any card can be good in the right kind of deck with the right kind of person behind the deck.

Though I haven't used fling in a tournament deck. So far I do have it in my red/green deck which I want to be a tournament deck eventually but I still need to play with it a lot more and adjust it before it is ready.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

The only people that can beat me consistently where I play is the people that have access to 4x baneslayer and they wipe their asses with Primeval Titans. (That's 2 people)
So yeah, I can put whatever the fuck I want in there.

How can "an utility" not sound right. Play a blank card and then i'll believe you. Until then, I stand by my statement, no matter how big or small it can be.

[Tricen]

The cost for fling is pretty high. A creature + a card in your hand is just too iffy. Act of Treason + Fling sounds nice on paper, but it doesn't really do a whole lot. It's just too many cards for little effect. Building a whole deck for the utility of 1 card is just a bad idea, and is extremely disruptable.

[Weltall]

Just leave it alone, he is obviously bad at Magic and life itself.

To back myself up:

If you are bad at Magic, you are usually:

* Bad at math

If you are bad at math, you are usually:

* Bad at theory

If you are bad at both of those, you are usually:

* Living in your grandparent's basement, going to an Art College, and/or broke in general due to a lack of knowledge.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

It's not a whole deck based around that at all, it's an addition to nothing in particular. If he ain't playing big it can be sideboarded, so I fail to see a problem. Name me a red card that costs 5 or less for the amount of dmg it can do.

EDIT:

Just leave it alone, he is obviously bad at Magic and life itself.

To back myself up:

If you are bad at Magic, you are usually:

* Bad at math

If you are bad at math, you are usually:

* Bad at theory

If you are bad at both of those, you are usually:

* Living in your grandparent's basement, going to an Art College, and/or broke in general due to a lack of knowledge.

Lol.

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2.bad at life (-1 point for life reference in 2010)

3.Living in your grandparent's basement (-1 point, see above)

and you're 25? I feel bad for you. Bringing a MTG thread to troll an individual, bravo.


On topic, I beat time ascention today with the new sb. Felt great, but i'm still not sure I like the thousand defenders they've done nothing for me so far. Also, quest is most definetly staying as long as the cheap stuff is. Haven't got it count as a waste ever so far (and that's a couple of hours of MWS). Gonna test more though, to be extra sure and I don't get fucked friday night.

A random comment on my local opponents, since all of you guys think I should play prefabricated deck: While they have access to anything they want, they never play the same deck more than once. Sometimes they keep the basics of a deck but use different side effects, so they're hard to predict. I have limited cards I have access to, and I need to put stuff together with that. I know Weltall didn't believe in my 1st deck I posted, but that didn't keep me from winning still, and the amout of lifegain I had back then was preventing most of the aggro, and if they didn't well they were basically fucked, unless their whole deck was entirely removal.

[zoobernut]

The cost for fling is pretty high. A creature + a card in your hand is just too iffy. Act of Treason + Fling sounds nice on paper, but it doesn't really do a whole lot. It's just too many cards for little effect. Building a whole deck for the utility of 1 card is just a bad idea, and is extremely disruptable.

Yeah my deck with fling in it is just a for fun deck against friends right now. But you would be surprised at how well the act of treason + fling combo works. It does a whole lot more than you would think, it deals double damage to a player if the creature is unblocked and it dispatches your opponents creature. I have used the combo quite a few times and it has been effective every time. I usually don't rely on combos though and the act of treason is a good card by itself so it is worth having in my red green deck anyway.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

Yeah my deck with fling in it is just a for fun deck against friends right now. But you would be surprised at how well the act of treason + fling combo works. It does a whole lot more than you would think, it deals double damage to a player if the creature is unblocked and it dispatches your opponents creature. I have used the combo quite a few times and it has been effective every time. I usually don't rely on combos though and the act of treason is a good card by itself so it is worth having in my red green deck anyway.

Why act of treason over mark of mutiny?

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/zen/137.jpghttp://magiccards.info/scans/en/dpa/37.jpg

[zoobernut]

Because I don't spend much money on cards so I only have available to me what my friends and I have and we haven't bought many new cards. Like I said I just got back into it. I have act of treason but not the mutiny one. But I will probably replace with that when I can. I just have to trade for it since I have only spent maybe $40 or $50 total on new cards recently.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

I know how you feel. Been back it in for about 2 months now I think... and I only have 1 Mark and a billion act. I was just sayin though if people where you play/your friends aren't jerks, uncommon are normally free unless they're like 3$ uncommons like freaking wall of omens.

[zoobernut]

oh yeah well all me and my friends trade cards freely and openly because we all want different cards and don't care much about value which is really nice. But we mostly have 2010 and 2011 cards not much from the Zendikar block. I will definitely be getting 4 of those though to replace the AoT's.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

I know you're not looking for ideas or opinion but i'll toss it out here who knows, you might like it.

I don't own any of those Ball Lightnings but that + fling makes for great rages sometimes (I speak of experience).

http://sales.starcitygames.com/cards...lLightning.jpghttp://sales.starcitygames.com/cards..._M11/Fling.jpg

Pretty much what I was saying about that 6/6 lifelink deathtouch, but cheaper and trample, but if your opponent has no board, you can't keep it and save fling for last resort. Still 12 dmg for 5 though. Too bad it's about to rotate.

[Linsivi]

Two cards to take out one... awesome game plan. Should just play with 30 cards in your deck.

[oldoldman]

Fling is bad because you sac as an added effect, making it an instant 2 for 1 against counterspells.

[DrRuler]

Not to bust more wholes in this plan but the main reason this doesn't work is in mono-red you will have only 5 mana on turn 5 or later. You would need to best case scenario have a land drawn with a Ball Lightning and a Fling still in hand on turn 5. When was the last time you played a game as or against red where the winner was not decided by the time the game reached turn 5? The simple fact is this combo will never happen in a normal game, and isn't worth putting Fling in your deck for the off chance you have both of these cards in your hand on turn 5+. (Remember turn 5 is still an IDEAL situation) Don't bother saying G/R with 4 Red lands and 1 Green land, if you're going to try that scenario, just play Valakut, as the deck is FAR more reliable.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

You take FNM way too fucking serious Welt. FNM is rarely more then a mish-mash of jank, homebrews, casuals, and competitive decks. If his meta lets him get away with Fling + whateverthefuck then clearly he's playing to his advantage with his current cardpool.

And you Subzero...you...you just need to get laid

[Weltall]

I don't take FNM too serious, but I just can't sit here and listen to him say his deck beats Jund and fling is good blah blah blah

[Tonko]

Welt takes everything too seriously, don't let it get to you.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Because decks that beat Jund even matter with block rotation just weeks away? If anything now is the chance to dust off those random decklists and enjoy yourself. PT is now in full Sealed/Draft swing anyways.

Good chance I'll be at GP Portland with Contreras so /highfive if any other BGers are there.

[zoobernut]

not to change the subject too much but how many of the same planeswalker do you guys put in your decks? I don't have much experience with them and assuming they fit into your deck in a good way (I don't think they automatically belong in all decks) how many do you put in? You can only have one planeswalker of a certain name out at a time right? I feel like it is an important enough card you would want to put 4 in your deck but I fear if you do that you could end up with 3 dead cards in your hand if the draw worked out just right.

What do you guys think? I was thinking of encorporating Liliana Vess into my blue/black deck but I don't know how many to try to get.

[oldoldman]

I once won a 60 man FNM with a Warp World deck I brewed up the day before during lorwyn Alara standard. Shit was soooooo cash.