Evangelion

[Ker]

I feel really dumb now when it comes to evangelion.

what did rei and asuka represent? lol

GRT explanation is right on but i would recommend checking this review he'll give more info on Eva ending but i disagree with 97% and the claim how good eva is -_- /sigh fanboys


YouTube - The End of Evangelion - Review only 8 and half minute review.

[Maguspk]

I'm on episode 20 and shit is getting really good, like the eva going balls to the wall and tearing the other eva apart and eating it's 'S2 engine', exceeding 400% sync ratio by 'absorbing' shinji. Fucking badass, holy shit. I am kind of scared for 23 though since it's supposed to be a big turning point apparently.

I do have a question though which has been bothering me everytime it occurs. When the Eva gains power when it's power has run out and it's eyes glow, it's obviously the Angel inside taking over. But, how do they subdue it after that? Everytime it's shown going apeshit and defeating the enemy angel easily, and then they just kind of cut to it being salvaged or whatever. It's happened three times now and I doubt they'll ever explain it. Did I miss an explanation or is it simply a plot hole?

edit: just finished 23, wow. I don't get a lot of stuff now, is Rei like Gendo's replacement for his wife which he can never run out of? Why does he care about them so much when there are so many? Did Misato seriously just offer to have sex with Shinji as a consolation for Rei dieing? Oh yeah and Asuka is basically a dead shell now, having lost twice in a row and being invaded by the Angel psychically or whatever. And Rei having her 'bioparts' invaded by the angel? What the hell was up with that scene, it was littered with obnoxious symbolism like the Rei tentacle and her self-destruct turning into a silhouette of her with an angel's halo? God, I really don't like it when anime start off cool and then end with a bunch of depressing shit. I'm going to have to struggle to finish out to 26 I think, it's just depressing thing with confusing symbolism and plot twists. This better all make sense by the end.

[Zilong]

Pretty much No but i'm glad cause of this move we have 6 manga approve by gainax, thousand of dojo, god knows how many hentai's and 4 new movies but i still hate the ending to this day so it's a love and hate relationship for me lol.

Spoiler: hentai doujins will pop up with or without legendary status

Magus: on Zeruel, I think it just calmed down at some point, and on Sachiel after S2 engine, they used the Tokyo-3's anti-angel weapon to restrain it, at least in the manga anyway

http://www.onemanga.com/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion/48/07/

[GRT]

imo be glad they are just meaningless symbolisms to you, wouldn't want you to actually understand exactly why shinji is able to establish 400% sync with eva 01 or who the hell rei really is

ick

[Kaylia]

edit: just finished 23, wow. I don't get a lot of stuff now, is Rei like Gendo's replacement for his wife which he can never run out of? Why does he care about them so much when there are so many? Did Misato seriously just offer to have sex with Shinji as a consolation for Rei dieing? Oh yeah and Asuka is basically a dead shell now, having lost twice in a row and being invaded by the Angel psychically or whatever. And Rei having her 'bioparts' invaded by the angel? What the hell was up with that scene, it was littered with obnoxious symbolism like the Rei tentacle and her self-destruct turning into a silhouette of her with an angel's halo? God, I really don't like it when anime start off cool and then end with a bunch of depressing shit. I'm going to have to struggle to finish out to 26 I think, it's just depressing thing with confusing symbolism and plot twists. This better all make sense by the end.

Watch the movie, it doesnt stop at 26.

The symbolism aren't that confusing, as long as you know a bit about gnosticism and kabbalism (jewish's mysticism). Basically, they are retelling the genesis tales in a sci-fi context (especially the movie).


As for the characters, most of them are fucked up in the first place. It's not surprising they react like this when shit hit the fan near the end.

[Ker]

This better all make sense by the end.

If your expecting a clear answer to all the questions you'll be disappointed and base of your reaction right now I'd say you won't be satisfied with the ending all together when you experience it.

Btw the movie 2 cam version is out now for public it's ok quaility

[Maguspk]

imo be glad they are just meaningless symbolisms to you, wouldn't want you to actually understand exactly why shinji is able to establish 400% sync with eva 01 or who the hell rei really is

ick

Sync Ratio 400% because his mother's personality/spirit or whatever is in Unit 01 right? And Rei is just a physical replacement for Yui, Shinji's mother, I guess for Gendo's sake. He has dinner with it, and seems to care for it more than he does Shinji, if I had to take a stab in the dark I'd say she truly is a replacement for his wife. Also, Rei blushed when Shinji called her motherly which I can only assume means she: a) knows she's a copy based on Shinji's mother, b) she is in a sexual relationship with Gendo and being referred to as motherly would be ironic because she is taking his mother's place in sexually satisfying Gendo or c) simply flattered and/or embarrassed Shinji would call her motherly. I honestly want to think it's A or C because B would be both disturbing and a bit of a stretch, although she is seen with Gendo a lot and he does care for her a whole bunch and it is a copy of his wife, so...

Also, why did Gendo take Yui's surname when they married, is that a Japanese thing or what?

I don't think I'm supposed to understand the symbolism as a viewer yet, or at least not my first time through, don't act like it's all so obvious.

[Zilong]

Probably because he hated his own family and loved Yui more than anything in the world.

[Pharaun]

Also, why did Gendo take Yui's surname when they married, is that a Japanese thing or what?

It means that Gendo was the bitch in that relationship. Seriously, it's a pretty rare thing in Japan, but from what I understand it does happen on occasion. Mostly like Zilong said, if his family is a bunch of douchebags or hers happens to be much more prestigious, etc.

[GRT]

Sync Ratio 400% because his mother's personality/spirit or whatever is in Unit 01 right? And Rei is just a physical replacement for Yui, Shinji's mother, I guess for Gendo's sake. He has dinner with it, and seems to care for it more than he does Shinji, if I had to take a stab in the dark I'd say she truly is a replacement for his wife. Also, Rei blushed when Shinji called her motherly which I can only assume means she: a) knows she's a copy based on Shinji's mother, b) she is in a sexual relationship with Gendo and being referred to as motherly would be ironic because she is taking his mother's place in sexually satisfying Gendo or c) simply flattered and/or embarrassed Shinji would call her motherly. I honestly want to think it's A or C because B would be both disturbing and a bit of a stretch, although she is seen with Gendo a lot and he does care for her a whole bunch and it is a copy of his wife, so...

Also, why did Gendo take Yui's surname when they married, is that a Japanese thing or what?

I don't think I'm supposed to understand the symbolism as a viewer yet, or at least not my first time through, don't act like it's all so obvious.

gendo is the most fucked up human being in the series, if not - dare i say - any anime series i've watched, i would not be surprised if there are possibilities D E F etc etc

[Maguspk]

So I finished up to 26 in the Director's Cut style episodes and I was just angry. Angry that the story left itself unresolved and we were simply given a psychological foray into the mind of Shinji for like 2 straight episodes. That's not an ending, that is something that can lead to a great ending, but it's not an ending. Congratulations! Congratulations!Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! NO, you deserve no congratulations, you failed to do anything right this entire time and now we have to say congratulations because you realized you have to grow a pair and not let people dictate your life and shape how you view yourself? Really? God.

So I said fuck it and watched the End of Evangelion which I guess is an alternate ending? Way better....if it ended at 25. But no, I had to watch the second one. Asuka is dead and Shinji is still being a little bitch saying he won't pilot the Eva. No wait, he's piloting the Eva now somehow and he's throwing a tantrum because Asuka got eaten by the shit in GRT's avatar. New Flash dumbass, she's dead because you were a pussy for the last 2 episodes and failed to do anything, you sack of useless shit. More shit that didn't make sense, wonderful. Rei is turning into a giant angel. Telling Gendo she's not his puppet, yes! And then proceeding to do exactly what Gendo wanted? The fuck? So everybody on earth is dead, and the Eva came to life with his mother's spirit and went off into space, cool. Now Shinji is alive on the dead earth with a comatose Asuka. Alright, so he gets a new start with Asuka and him alone, whatever, cool. No wait, he's fucking it up already, he's chocking her for god knows what reason. What the hell? Okay, she was alive and he just killed her and now he's crying again. Why does this bitch always cry, he fucks shit up and then cries because he is fucking shit up. No wait, her eyes moved, she's alive and she said something. End.

What. The. Hell. Neither of those endings made any real sense to me, it's like whoever made these endings was trying to be overly symbolic and deep and it just felt so forced. I think it's a stetch to call those endings good, although I'd love to hear the perspective of someone who thought they were, or an explanation as to what exactly I missed in all that bullshit.

edit: Mostly, I just hate Shinji for being the main character, being a useless piece of shit, crying about every god damn thing and saying 'I'm never going to pilot that Eva again!' at least 20 times, and everytime not sticking to it. The little guy couldn't do anything right, he was easily the most annoying, unlikable main character I've ever had the displeasure of watching. I can understand how people relate to him, but I hated him, right until the end.

[Zilong]

I did warn you

[Maguspk]

So is that it? I keep seeing talk about Rebuild 2.0 or something as I read through this thread, and there's that other one with the parens in the name. They're both movies right? In alternate ending type scenarios?

Have they been translated? Or am I caught up and the 'End of Evangelion' is it for now?

[Zilong]

rebuild of evangelion, the first movie is out and subbed, the second movie is out in japan, probably will come in dvd in about 6-9 months, camrip is out.

it's an alternate retelling of the story, but the first one is pretty close to the series, second one though...

[Hitoshura]

Actually I think Asuka died because of Yui, Shinji's mother, the soul inside of EVA unit-1. She used Asuka's death as a catalyst for Shinji to awaken and cause a Third Impact. It sounds fucked up but it as at it is. Notice that she broke free the second Asuka was dead, conveniently for him so witness her remains. Shinji wanted to get in but Unit-01 was stuck in that red shit, I forgot what they call it exactly but it's the equivalent of being frozen stuck.

Also I consider rebuild a sequel to the series, the red sea of LCL, traces of the EVA series (GRT's avatar lol) all over, just all kinds of evidence that convinced me.

[GRT]

lolol

i don't think anyone actually thinks the eva endings are good, even those who like it for whatever reason

and i love my avatar lolol

[Kaylia]

So I finished up to 26 in the Director's Cut style episodes and I was just angry. Angry that the story left itself unresolved and we were simply given a psychological foray into the mind of Shinji for like 2 straight episodes. That's not an ending, that is something that can lead to a great ending, but it's not an ending. Congratulations! Congratulations!Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! NO, you deserve no congratulations, you failed to do anything right this entire time and now we have to say congratulations because you realized you have to grow a pair and not let people dictate your life and shape how you view yourself? Really? God.

So I said fuck it and watched the End of Evangelion which I guess is an alternate ending? Way better....if it ended at 25. But no, I had to watch the second one. Asuka is dead and Shinji is still being a little bitch saying he won't pilot the Eva. No wait, he's piloting the Eva now somehow and he's throwing a tantrum because Asuka got eaten by the shit in GRT's avatar. New Flash dumbass, she's dead because you were a pussy for the last 2 episodes and failed to do anything, you sack of useless shit. More shit that didn't make sense, wonderful. Rei is turning into a giant angel. Telling Gendo she's not his puppet, yes! And then proceeding to do exactly what Gendo wanted? The fuck? So everybody on earth is dead, and the Eva came to life with his mother's spirit and went off into space, cool. Now Shinji is alive on the dead earth with a comatose Asuka. Alright, so he gets a new start with Asuka and him alone, whatever, cool. No wait, he's fucking it up already, he's chocking her for god knows what reason. What the hell? Okay, she was alive and he just killed her and now he's crying again. Why does this bitch always cry, he fucks shit up and then cries because he is fucking shit up. No wait, her eyes moved, she's alive and she said something. End.

What. The. Hell. Neither of those endings made any real sense to me, it's like whoever made these endings was trying to be overly symbolic and deep and it just felt so forced. I think it's a stetch to call those endings good, although I'd love to hear the perspective of someone who thought they were, or an explanation as to what exactly I missed in all that bullshit.

The first ending was lame and straigthforward. Shinji accepted the instrumentality project, and they all lived happily in their wonderful world (That's what would have happened if Shinji accepted giant Rei). Sure, there is other possible interpretation, but a few things point in that direction.


The second ending make sense if you understand what the instrumentality project was about. There is some symbolism and stuff left to interpretation, but it's not that hard to understand how it ties up with the rest, and why it's a proper ending to the whole "adam/lilith" story. It could have been less dramatic I supose (like Xenogears...was basically the same concept), but not involving the whole humanity would have been stupid.

Adam and Lilith (Lilith is Eve's "evil" counterpart, but in Evangelion, they never really make a distinction between both) gave birth at some point to the mankind. We don't know the details, but since they are refered as the 18th angel (lilim), it's pretty obvious Lilith was involved in a way, and since Adam created every other angel, we can assume they share a link of some sort.

Because of the religious nature of the show (kabbalah/gnosticism), spiritual enlightment play a very important role (that's why you see the Path of Sefirot in Gendo's office for exemple). Opening people heart to the "truth" was the whole idea behind the Instrumentality Project. In the religion mentioned above, spiritual enlightment is often interpreted as an union with God...human transcend flesh and go back to their original self (Adam kadmon...or in this case, Lilith)

Gendo went through the project to be reunited forever with his wife. I don't remember the exact details, but from his perspective, merging their consciousness was the best way to be reunited (and he was right). However Rei/Lilith rejected him, and proceeded with the Instrumentality project on her own. In the end, every humans were enlighted, lost their sense of "self" and merged back as one god like they originally were.

The details here aren't important, as long you know Shinji prefered to keep his identity and learn to communicate with others, this part make some sort of sense.


The strangling part is left to interpration (he doesn't kill her, she still move her eyes). Personally, I think it's an hardcore version of the "pinch me to see if I'm dreaming", and make sure they are both alive, mixed with some crazyness. Also, the ending is pretty open in the sense that we don't know if other can come back or not. If Asuka who died before the merging could come back, every other humans who died recently should be able to come back to life as well if they have a strong "self". There is a good chance every other character will be reborn for a new start.



And well, if you think EVA ending was too depressing, just pretend this is the real series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQhXWeKI-Pk

[GRT]

haha, shinji getting shit on should make most people who hated the series happy

ironically though, people hate shinji for being a pussy ass crybaby, but 99.9% of those watching would probably react jsut like him in that situation, and the fact that he does continue to pilot eva after all his bitching, and after being locked up, watching his friend die, and brutally murdering a friend himself does make him a tad better than the rest of us, believe it or not

giant mecha anime heroes are supposed to be hotblood young studs who beat the shit out of all his enemies with an arrogant smirk on his face all the time, that's why gurren lagann is on everyone's top 5 fav anime of all time

shinji's story doesn't give a crap about audience's comfort zone and just tries to tell it like how it is, and i approve of it

[Ker]

LOL i said it you won't enjoy the ending presented to you and no the series ended with last angel killed by shinji and last two EP anno was forced to do this mind fuck up shinji world were he pretty much wanted in his mind to be accepted cause Gainax didn't have the buget to produce the last true 2EP or didn't want to give the money but who cares after EVA became the cult hit the movie was made of the last two EP.

Rei is turning into a giant angel. Telling Gendo she's not his puppet, yes! And then proceeding to do exactly what Gendo wanted? The fuck?

No Gendo wanted to become the new god by using Rei during the 3rd impact but she decided he had it with him? (no good explanation) so she went with shinji, lastly i don't think anyone likes shinji (hell i don't) he is a cry baby and twist fuck who masterbate to comatose girls.

PS almost forgot Asuka actually wake up when she says "I feel sick" but she pretty much sums up the whole ending on those words

[Kaylia]

There is 24 episodes of those 3d chibi things. It's a bit too long, but it was still fun to watch in overall.


Shinji isn't likeable as a character, but he never bothered me. He went through some really fucked up stuff..so I have trouble hating him for being depressed and weird.