Nerfin Them Hardmodes

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I have no respect for the intellect of blizzard after they put out the tier bonus for prot paladins with a 30sec off CD on Divine shield but not forbearance. It took the community to see what was wrong there...

And they fixed it...jesus the QQ hangs heavy in here...

[Plow]

And they fixed it...jesus the QQ hangs heavy in here...

Paying to beta test when you agreed to pay for a finished product is ok by you?


I mean, I can see them slipping on some balance issues... but that's just not paying attention.

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Paying to beta test when you agreed to pay for a finished product is ok by you?


I mean, I can see them slipping on some balance issues... but that's just not paying attention.

The PTR doesn't cost you any extra money. 'Paying to beta test' counts towards shit like broken bosses (see: C'Thun 1.0). Not bugs on the designated testing realm.

[Plow]

Well, you don't have access to ptr without paying, but that's another issue.


My point is that the broken bosses are the shit that should be figured out on the ptr, and the utterly retarded "how the hell could you possibly not realize this" issues should be figured out in private testing.

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Well, you don't have access to ptr without paying, but that's another issue.

Which is why I wrote what I did. What I didn't say was 'PTR is free.'

My point is that the broken bosses are the shit that should be figured out on the ptr, and the utterly retarded "how the hell could you possibly not realize this" issues should be figured out in private testing.

I agree. But when they aren't, and are instead found on a realm exclusively meant for public testing, there is no reason to QQ about bugs found, even if they are bad ones. Bitching about the reason for a PTR's existence is...silly.

Bad bug: Wintergrasp crashing realms and resetting every time a match was one.
Who fucking cares bug: set bonuses on PTR armor not making sense.

[Pendas]

Yogg +0 World First Kill by Stars, PTR Build 10072

Looks like he was just killed.

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Yogg +0 World First Kill by Stars, PTR Build 10072

Looks like he was just killed.

How the fuck...

Also funny that they also nerdgasm with 'fucking yes' in the recorded vent.

[Plow]

Which is why I wrote what I did. What I didn't say was 'PTR is free.'



I agree. But when they aren't, and are instead found on a realm exclusively meant for public testing, there is no reason to QQ about bugs found, even if they are bad ones. Bitching about the reason for a PTR's existence is...silly.

Bad bug: Wintergrasp crashing realms and resetting every time a match was one.
Who fucking cares bug: set bonuses on PTR armor not making sense.

I disagree.

This issue tells us that they literally did not have an internal tester try this ability.


How is that not fucked up and wrong?

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I disagree.

This issue tells us that they literally did not have an internal tester try this ability.


How is that not fucked up and wrong?

Because the gear didn't get put on live servers like that. I notice you're not still clinging to the 'pay to beta test' argument. Zounds! They didn't reduce Forbearance CD on gear we won't see till November! The fiends!

[Plow]

First off, the PTR is part of what we pay to access. It's another server, we pay no less for it than we pay for the myriad other servers we may or may not play on.


Secondly, you cannot expect the players on ptr to test everything for you. If you're not internally testing shit, you're having paying players do it instead, even if they catch it on the ptr. There are a lot of things player testers literally cannot test, because we're not privy to the knowledge behind the encounters.

If they can't take 2 minutes to internally test the simplest things, what the hell are they doing?

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Would it calm you down if I told you said tester went home and felt bad about what he did in a corner for at least two hours? Seriously, you are spending a lot of time and rage on an issue which does not affect you in any way, shape or form.

[Dezzimal]

Bitching about things being broken on the PTR is nothing less than fucking stupid. The PTR always has tons of shit broken on it and the testing process for pushing patches onto the PTR is a million times less rigorous than for a patch that goes live. Don't like it? Play on your live character holy shit was that so hard.

[Plow]

I guess I'd just like to think that a literal 2 minutes of testing isn't too much to ask.

[Dezzimal]

There is almost no testing that goes into builds that get pushed onto the PTR, get it, nay PLOW it into your head.

[Meresgi]

And they fixed it...jesus the QQ hangs heavy in here...

Oh i'm fucking sorry, here I thought a company that designed a class and it's buffs/debuffs would KNOW THEIR BUFFS AND DEBUFFS. I guess that's too much to ask though from this shit company.

[Dezzimal]

Oh i'm fucking sorry, here I thought a company that designed a class and it's buffs/debuffs would KNOW THEIR BUFFS AND DEBUFFS. I guess that's too much to ask though from this shit company.

Unless something like that makes it live you have no reason to complain. Right now there are a staggering amount of bugs on the PTR which is to be expected. Immolate and Conflag don't scale with spellpower, the doors on the alliance starting area for the isle of conquest do not exist, the new 5 man is apparently unplayable because either the instance itself or the client crashes while inside constantly.

I think people just fail to understand what beta is supposed to mean as opposed to what it is in relation to a google or mozilla product for example. Stop whining about bugs that get fixed during the testing cycle.

[Plow]

Unless something like that makes it live you have no reason to complain. Right now there are a staggering amount of bugs on the PTR which is to be expected. Immolate and Conflag don't scale with spellpower, the doors on the alliance starting area for the isle of conquest do not exist, the new 5 man is apparently unplayable because either the instance itself or the client crashes while inside constantly.

I think people just fail to understand what beta is supposed to mean as opposed to what it is in relation to a google or mozilla product for example. Stop whining about bugs that get fixed during the testing cycle.

I think you fail to see the difference between bugs, and the guy at blizzard that got to listen to

THAT'S FIFTY DKP MINUS CUZ YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOUR ABILITIES DO

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Oh i'm fucking sorry, here I thought a company that designed a class and it's buffs/debuffs would KNOW THEIR BUFFS AND DEBUFFS. I guess that's too much to ask though from this shit company.

Once again, it got fixed. While it was on the PTR. The oversight never got close to touching a live realm. QQ more.

[Meresgi]

Once again, it got fixed. While it was on the PTR. The oversight never got close to touching a live realm. QQ more.

Why did they NEED A FUCKING TEST REALM TO SEE THE PROBLEM THERE? That's idiotic, I don't give a shit where it was caught because it wasn't caught on the fucking drawing board where someone...ANYONE should have said "Wait a second..that doesnt make sense at all Tom."

And all the other bugs on the PTR? A result of how horrible blizzard is at maintaining a database it seems. Why is it that anytime they try to fix anything, it messes up a million other things that had no direct correlation?


"Oh hey guys, lets fix Chaos Bolt and the way it hits targets with different shields up"
*1 day later*
"Lols guys for some reason we spawned Yogg into Dalaran and now everyone is insane, also zoning into any Azeroth zone crashes the server."

[Guitarman]

....then quit? Seriously. Go play the game this entire board was made for, and you'll have far more patience for oversights like this.