True Blood Season 2

[Olo401]

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After being a dork, I mean watching the preview for next week in slow-motion, I saw a very interesting thing on it...

There was a shot of Jessica biting Hoyt's mom.

Wonder if her first experience with Maryann made Hoyts mom loopy and Jessica flipped out and snacked on that ass. Guess we'll find out on Sunday.

It probably has more to do with the impending showdown with Maryann & her army of possessed townfolk.

[Ivve]

I am such a woman. I totally cried at the last episode

Me too; just watched it on demand right now.

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I had a pretty strong feeling that he went to the Church of the Sun voluntarily and at the time that plotline was unfolding, I thought he was going to sacrifice himself at the ceremony they were having.

The conversation between Godric and Sookie was incredibly sad; I really felt sorry for him when he talked about being punished by God. Combined with everything else he said, it seemed like he was living with a lot of self-loathing for probably a long time. That's really a terrible way to continue existing.

I thought the effects they did for Godric burning was super cheesy-looking, but I thought it was interesting they chose to go with that instead of something similar to how Bill burned when he came out in the sun in season one. I guess aging upgrades your shit to BLUE FLAMES, super cool!

Other thoughts:

I like the Eric/Sookie development. I like Eric a lot and I find Bill somewhat grating in combination with Sookie because of how terrible her character is all the time. Is Eric genuinely attracted to Sookie or just intrigued by the fact that she doesn't react to vampires in the way other humans do?

That dream sequence between Eric and Sookie was holy shit. Did not consider Eric an attractive man before this episode.

I'd also like to say that it is somewhat Paquin's fault that I don't like the character. The horrible accent, the whole gap-teefs thing, I dunno. She just looks like a duck in the face and aside from being interesting to vampires because she's a telepath, I really don't understand the attraction at all.

Also hate Tara's character even though that bitch's tuck game is fierce. I know it must be hard hiding all that big black dick but credit where credit is due. MANLY

Did anyone else notice before the last few episodes just how fucking huge Eric is? I don't know why that didn't really stand out before now, but seeing him around so many people lately emphasized just how much he towers over everyone.

Hoyt's mom is a cunt. Why would you say that shit to someone who revealed to you they were made a vampire against their will? Adoption, etc. Fuck off you typical redneck bitch.

I was set on not watching anymore of the show because I didn't care for the direction it was taking, but this episode changed my mind. Sookie actually didn't utterly fucking ruin every scene she was in and also wasn't in every scene, so yay.

[Olo401]

I like the Eric/Sookie development. I like Eric a lot and I find Bill somewhat grating in combination with Sookie because of how terrible her character is all the time. Is Eric genuinely attracted to Sookie or just intrigued by the fact that she doesn't react to vampires in the way other humans do?

I think it's a combination of being intrigued by her and wanting to having the ability to use her empathic abilities to his advantage. You kinda have to keep in mind that he's not just a vampire - he's also a bureaucrat.

[Ivve]

True, but I thought she couldn't read the thoughts of vampires? Or is that just Bill? I assume all of them since Eric was able to trick her so easily. So far everyone she's heard/read has been human, and I would think most of the people he deals with that have real power (or at least power that he's interested in knowing about or taking) are also vampires.

[Katlan]

True, but I thought she couldn't read the thoughts of vampires? Or is that just Bill?

She can't read vampires "accurately." She can get glimpses here-and-there (least in the book), but she never lets the vamp's know. She can read other supa's (aside Maenid's), but not nearly as easily and they have to be thinking directly at her for her to get a clear image

[Ashira]

She can't read vampires "accurately." She can get glimpses here-and-there (least in the book), but she never lets the vamp's know. She can read other supa's (aside Maenid's), but not nearly as easily and they have to be thinking directly at her for her to get a clear image

..pretty sure it's "supes" in the books, not supas. Which is the same term Daphne used in the episode where she explained to Sam what Marianne is and so tragically likened Dionysus to Satan... way to fudge up mythology and kinda skip the part where the Christian church is the one that actually did that to demonize the Roman polytheistic faith, since they really are not one and the same. Heh.

Also, as far as I recall, the only vampire Sookie ever gets any flashes from whatsoever is Eric, and it happens a whopping like 3 times total in 9 books.

I kind of prefer this Lorena storyline to the books, the whole mercenary reasoning behind it in the novels was kinda thin.

The maenad (Marianne) thing is starting to stretch out a bit too much - all right, we get it, she's about lust and drunkenness and gluttony and decadence, etc. How many times do we need to drive that point home? It's a much more interesting flesh out of it than in the books at least, but still, ugh.

And the bit about Jessica actually made me a little sad - I dunno, it didn't strike me as funny at all, though everyone here seemed to find it highly amusing. I wanted to shake the hand of the writer who thought of it, because it didn't even occur to me. But it is a bit heartbreaking in a way, that she won't ever be able to enjoy sex - guess I empathize a little with her here.

I just caught up on a bunch of episodes, left off with the bombing so haven't seen the most recent yet.

[Norelco]

But it is a bit heartbreaking in a way, that she won't ever be able to enjoy sex - guess I empathize a little with her here.

Uh, your hymen grows back as well?

[Ivve]

The maenad (Marianne) thing is starting to stretch out a bit too much - all right, we get it, she's about lust and drunkenness and gluttony and decadence, etc. How many times do we need to drive that point home? It's a much more interesting flesh out of it than in the books at least, but still, ugh.

Completely agree. I've been bored with the "developments" for a while; glad the last few episodes have focused almost completely on what's going on in Dallas. I get that they keep throwing that in to have some sex scenes in each episode though; most other things going on have been decidedly unsexy and this is HBO we're talking about. If we don't get some naked tits or some F-bombs for a 10 minute period they consider it lost time, and since Sookie apparently does not cuss, I think that means we'll be seeing a lot more of her tits.

And the bit about Jessica actually made me a little sad - I dunno, it didn't strike me as funny at all, though everyone here seemed to find it highly amusing. I wanted to shake the hand of the writer who thought of it, because it didn't even occur to me.

That was actually the first thing I thought when it came up that she was a virgin, so I kind of expected it.

I find her reactions really obnoxious though. She seems 12 rather than 17 and one of the main reasons I was ready to quit this bitch was the fact that they seems pretty intent on making all of the female characters stupid, naive, generally unbearable cliches. I find most of them to be incredibly one-dimensional and I hope they start writing in details that actually make me care about the fate of any of them. I shed some tears when Godric died but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't give a rat's ass if any (or all) of the female castmembers got killed off in the next installment. Plz improve kthx.

[Ashira]

Uh, your hymen grows back as well?

No, I don't enjoy sex.

That was actually the first thing I thought when it came up that she was a virgin, so I kind of expected it.

I guess I didn't because I personally did not have this issue, and it's actually not uncommon these days, women are a bit more active than the times when they used to check sheets for blood the morning after the wedding night.

I find her reactions really obnoxious though. She seems 12 rather than 17 and one of the main reasons I was ready to quit this bitch was the fact that they seems pretty intent on making all of the female characters stupid, naive, generally unbearable cliches.

Kiiiiind of... I agree. She was also very sheltered and forced to live under an iron fist/thumb/whatever, so some of the reactions I can see. I am so glad they moved her away from the completely whiny petulant brat she was when she was first made though; now she has just little rebellions while she gets more used to herself.

I shed some tears when Godric died but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't give a rat's ass if any (or all) of the female castmembers got killed off in the next installment. Plz improve kthx.

Sookie kinda bugs me at times in the novels too, knowing as much as she does about how people think she has an annoying streak of naivete at times. I suppose it's supposed to be a show of optimism or something, but it doesn't always gel well.

[Katlan]

..pretty sure it's "supes" in the books, not supas. Which is the same term Daphne used in the episode where she explained to Sam what Marianne is and so tragically likened Dionysus to Satan... way to fudge up mythology and kinda skip the part where the Christian church is the one that actually did that to demonize the Roman polytheistic faith, since they really are not one and the same. Heh.

huh? Am i actually supposed to apologize for MISSPELLING a word that has a whole bunch of mythology behind it that idk about? lol I have no idea if all that is covered in the books before I'm only 1/2 through #3, but yeah... I had a giant wtf look on my face as I read that passage lol. I'll make sure to type out supernaturals so I don't offend anybody in the future

The maenad (Marianne) thing is starting to stretch out a bit too much - all right, we get it, she's about lust and drunkenness and gluttony and decadence, etc. How many times do we need to drive that point home? It's a much more interesting flesh out of it than in the books at least, but still, ugh.

Not really more fleshed out in the books. The way she is portrayed in the books is entirely different. Yeah she atk's sookie, she feeds on ppl being out of control. But she was made to be neither bad or good in the books, she is clearly evil in the show. Can't really say she is better explained in the books as she prolly had a whole 50 pages of book 3 devoted to her haha

No, I don't enjoy sex.

I guess I didn't because I personally did not have this issue, and it's actually not uncommon these days, women are a bit more active than the times when they used to check sheets for blood the morning after the wedding night.

lol, how old fashioned are you, cause clearly you are a generation older then even my parents

[Katlan]

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[Ivve]

I guess I didn't because I personally did not have this issue, and it's actually not uncommon these days, women are a bit more active than the times when they used to check sheets for blood the morning after the wedding night.

Didn't exactly see her being a horseback rider or something in her previous life. Like you said yourself, she was sheltered and growing up in the backwoods of Louisiana. I don't have a hard time seeing that being a particularly surprising possibility for her. Most girls I knew had the same problem, only a handful did not.

Kiiiiind of... I agree. She was also very sheltered and forced to live under an iron fist/thumb/whatever, so some of the reactions I can see. I am so glad they moved her away from the completely whiny petulant brat she was when she was first made though; now she has just little rebellions while she gets more used to herself.

I grew up under overprotective parents also, but I learned to try to reason with them rather than try to fight them over stupid things like she apparently did. You're really never going to make any headway behaving like a whiny brat; I just felt like she should have learned as much by the time she was 17. I thought it was a bit over the top and there were a lot of instances where I really could not fucking understand what the hell she was thinking. When Bill is telling her about her new abilities and restrictions as a vampire, she's groaning about how BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRING it all is, but how else do you know anything about how to live as a vampire? It's clearly not instinctual. I'm glad they're mellowing her out a little bit too, but she's still insanely bratty when anyone tries to tell her anything.

Sookie kinda bugs me at times in the novels too, knowing as much as she does about how people think she has an annoying streak of naivete at times. I suppose it's supposed to be a show of optimism or something, but it doesn't always gel well.

Sookie kind of bugs me because she's sort of a giant whore who has a hard time considering the feelings of others. She's incredibly selfish and seems to be severely lacking in intuition sometimes. For example, in the relationship between her and Sam, she never once just asked him how he was doing or what else could be going on in his life. She just automatically assumed any shortness or irritability was due to their failed relationship, completely forgetting some key facts like the one that Sam also dated and now works with Tara, someone died in his parking lot, his business had suffered recently due to the loss of several employees, etc.

She never stops to consider how her actions will affect anyone else or really seems to think very far into the future at all. Bill was gone for a brief period and instead of saying "Sam, you know, I think we ought to chill out, I'm not in a place to be having a new relationship so soon after this other one that I don't even know is over," etc, she just jumps right into that with no regard for how it affects either Sam or Bill or any consideration for what could happen in the immediate future. She's just fucking selfish and stupid and proves this over and over. If for one second at any time in this series she acknowledges that the world does not revolve around her, I will be shocked beyond words. I really hate this character.

[Ashira]

huh? Am i actually supposed to apologize for MISSPELLING a word that has a whole bunch of mythology behind it that idk about? lol I have no idea if all that is covered in the books before I'm only 1/2 through #3, but yeah... I had a giant wtf look on my face as I read that passage lol. I'll make sure to type out supernaturals so I don't offend anybody in the future

I wasn't just correcting you, I've seen about 4 posts now with people referring to it as 'supa' and then someone saying that that was in the books.

The Dionysus/Bacchus mythology was a totally different tangent that had nothing to do with supe/supa, they were only tied together because both were in Daphne's conversation with Sam at the lake - her reference to "supes" and likening Dionysus to Satan. Not related.

Not really more fleshed out in the books. The way she is portrayed in the books is entirely different. Yeah she atk's sookie, she feeds on ppl being out of control. But she was made to be neither bad or good in the books, she is clearly evil in the show. Can't really say she is better explained in the books as she prolly had a whole 50 pages of book 3 devoted to her haha

How do you get through life with the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader?

This is what I said:

"It's a much more interesting flesh out of it than in the books at least, but still, ugh."

It is MORE interesting THAN the books. Not that the book has more about it. I was merely complaining that we do get the point and they need to get to the climax of the Marianne plot now, we don't need more orgies and people eating dirt and fucking each other while beating each other up.

lol, how old fashioned are you, cause clearly you are a generation older than even my parents

I'm not old-fashioned in the least, and I'm unsure what makes you think I am. I don't enjoy sex? That's just a physiological fact on my side, nothing to do with my mindset. I didn't have any pain my first time either, I was an active kid and a bit older than most, so I guess I didn't really have any hymen to cause me issues.

Why does my alluding to historical and mythological references in my posts confuse you so?


@Ivve: Well, when Jessica comes to live with Bill, you have to also remember she was living with Eric & Co. at Fangtasia for a bit before then. Going to Bill after having all this unrestricted freedom, especially after her human life and her slightly more than "overprotective" parents, is going to be very BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING. Going from getting whippings for minor infractions to a life with very little consequence whatsoever... and then basically made to feel unwanted and dumped in a house with rules again would be pretty frustrating. I can understand the lashing out. I think too, they don't really give her enough screen time to really see the full story of it, so it can seem rather like leaps in her character's growth.

Considering she's not in the books at all, at first I was so 'ugh' with the storyline and idea, but I rather like her now. I dunno. I can't explain it I guess

As to Sookie, I see what you're saying and I get it; but I think I also sort of see it as ...she's always been really wary of like, asking how people are doing and what's going on because everyone knows she has some sort of weird thing going on, and people get very sensitive if they think she's in their heads. And she just may be so used to trying to shut people out in general, that she doesn't really consider trying to treat Sam differently, even though he does understand her a lot better than most.

But she kinda had her heckles raised from the get go because Sam was so anti-her and Bill, be it concern or jealousy or whatever, and Sookie does think she's right no matter what, I will give her that fault... she doesn't stop to consider why people think the way they do perhaps - so she just got all on the defensive there because Sam was telling her she was being stupid for dating Bill etc. I guess that's more where I see their relationship, but I see what you're saying, for sure... it's an interesting take on it, makes her a lot less likable. But it doesn't fully fit with some of her other actions.

[Elcura]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way about Sookie. I can't stand her sometimes and most scenes she's in I just groan loudly and pray she doesn't bug me too much.

[Ivve]

@Ivve: Well, when Jessica comes to live with Bill, you have to also remember she was living with Eric & Co. at Fangtasia for a bit before then. Going to Bill after having all this unrestricted freedom, especially after her human life and her slightly more than "overprotective" parents, is going to be very BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING. Going from getting whippings for minor infractions to a life with very little consequence whatsoever... and then basically made to feel unwanted and dumped in a house with rules again would be pretty frustrating. I can understand the lashing out. I think too, they don't really give her enough screen time to really see the full story of it, so it can seem rather like leaps in her character's growth.

I would have traded some of the dirt-eating orgies to get enough screen time to make her storyline seem a little better thought out. That and unless I'm mistaken, she was whining about complaining about things being boring the very first night she was a vampire and he was trying to teach her things -- before he ever dumped her on Eric. Not really sure what her problem was, to be honest. It just makes sense that she needs to understand some things about her new needs before she can go on living a life; how else does she expect to survive and operate within the new set of laws that govern vampires? I guess I feel like they packed stupid teenager moments into times when it was kind of inappropriate because that was the only screen time she was going to get and that was the point they wanted to make.

As to Sookie, I see what you're saying and I get it; but I think I also sort of see it as ...she's always been really wary of like, asking how people are doing and what's going on because everyone knows she has some sort of weird thing going on, and people get very sensitive if they think she's in their heads. And she just may be so used to trying to shut people out in general, that she doesn't really consider trying to treat Sam differently, even though he does understand her a lot better than most.

But she kinda had her heckles raised from the get go because Sam was so anti-her and Bill, be it concern or jealousy or whatever, and Sookie does think she's right no matter what, I will give her that fault... she doesn't stop to consider why people think the way they do perhaps - so she just got all on the defensive there because Sam was telling her she was being stupid for dating Bill etc. I guess that's more where I see their relationship, but I see what you're saying, for sure... it's an interesting take on it, makes her a lot less likable. But it doesn't fully fit with some of her other actions.

It just makes her seem insincere and thoughtless overall is the problem. She really has no idea how to live between the extremes of reading everyone's thoughts and completely disregarding their feelings? Hmm. The world revolves around her, she is always right in her own mind, etc. Eh, fuck her. I don't like her.

She didn't say a word to Tara about the weird shit going on with Marianne, which struck me as odd. I don't know why she would have left for an undetermined period of time without at least a little warning to watch out for herself. Yet another instance of Sookie Totally Cares About Shit Outside Herself™ amirite

Edit: I have more than one post in this thread alone. Sup with the postcount.

[Arrmani]

That ending was certainly weird tonight. And wtf at being 48 min long. Hopefully next episode is really awesome and maybe the last one not being such a let down like the first season's.

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As for the queen, I think she was just feeding and that's where the blood is coming from. I hope the queen doesn't ask for something from Bill that has to do with Sookie like Eric does.

[Olo401]

Heh that whole scene at the end reminded me of The Matrix.

Edit: They showed clips from ComiCon and it was freaky seeing Stephen Moyer (Bill). He doesn't even look like his character (and no it's not just the makeup because the guy who plays Eric really does look like him). Plus he's british and the shift in accent from that southern/creole one that Bill has is freaky.

[Ivve]

That ending was certainly weird tonight. And wtf at being 48 min long. Hopefully next episode is really awesome and maybe the last one not being such a let down like the first season's.

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As for the queen, I think she was just feeding and that's where the blood is coming from. I hope the queen doesn't ask for something from Bill that has to do with Sookie like Eric does.

Completely agree. The whole time I was watching I was like, "Shit I hope they have enough time to answer the question I have about what's coming up," and then they pulled that when I expected at least 10 more minutes. Annoying!

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I also thought that and I'm sure you're right. At the very least, I'd think if she were injured or dying that those guards outside her chamber would be a little more busy. Pretty sure whatever is going on there has to do with something ritualistic at weirdest.

[Deftscythe]

Completely agree. The whole time I was watching I was like, "Shit I hope they have enough time to answer the question I have about what's coming up," and then they pulled that when I expected at least 10 more minutes. Annoying!

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I also thought that and I'm sure you're right. At the very least, I'd think if she were injured or dying that those guards outside her chamber would be a little more busy. Pretty sure whatever is going on there has to do with something ritualistic at weirdest.

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I looked away for a second so maybe I missed something crucial, but we're talking about the blood dripping from her foot? If so, honestly my first thought was "she literally bathes in blood."

I'm glad we're finally getting to meet the queen. I was getting confused last week.At first I thought Flanagan was just a mouthpiece on TV, but the way she was throwing around authority over Godric I started thinking she might be the queen.

[grantlogan]

That episode was intense. Shit got real yo.